A copy of the OIA request filed by M M Smith on December 05 2016.
David Johnston made this Official Information request to New Zealand Police
The request was successful.
From: David Johnston
Dear New Zealand Police,
On December 05 2016, a M M Smith filed an OIA request the the New Zealand police, through the website www.fyi.org.nz.
Please provide a copy of the original request, and the police response to the request.
Yours faithfully,
David Johnston
From: David Johnston
Dear New Zealand Police,
Hi. I haven't received an confirmation nor any response for this request. Could you please acknowledge?
Yours faithfully,
David Johnston
New Zealand Police
'Do not reply to this message, this email message has been sent from an
un-monitored email address'
Thank you for your email. Please submit your request to the following web
portal:
[1]https://forms.police.govt.nz/oiarequest
Please email us again at [2][New Zealand Police request email] if we can help you
any further.
Regards
New Zealand Police
'Do not reply to this message, this email message has been sent from an
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-----David Johnston <[FYI request #5248 email]> wrote:
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To: OIA/LGOIMA requests at New Zealand Police <[New Zealand Police request email]>
From: David Johnston <[FYI request #5248 email]>
Date: 04/03/2017 07:04PM
Subject: Re: Official Information request - A copy of the OIA request
filed by M M Smith on December 05 2016.
Dear New Zealand Police,
Hi. I haven't received an confirmation nor any response for this request.
Could you please acknowledge?
Yours faithfully,
David Johnston
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Please use this email address for all replies to this request:
[FYI request #5248 email]
Disclaimer: This message and any reply that you make will be published on
the internet. Our privacy and copyright policies:
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If you find this service useful as an Official Information officer, please
ask your web manager to link to us from your organisation's OIA or LGOIMA
page.
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David Johnston left an annotation ()
Hey Oliver - the question is - if I hit reply here - because it's an unmonitored address - it likely won't go through to them?
From: David Johnston
Dear New Zealand Police,
Hi there.
The OIA does not require that I file an OIA request through the police online portal.
Please fulfill this request as per the original email.
Please note that by the law, the police should have normally responded promptly and by February 20, 2017.
Yours faithfully,
David Johnston
New Zealand Police
Dear Sir,
Regrettably the information line staff do not have access or authority
to supply the information you require. Please write to your local
Police station
or Police National Headquarters to complain if you feel this needs to be
clarified.
Please send your request via the following link:
[1]http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publi...
Yours sincerely
NZ Police Information
-----David Johnston <[FOI #5248 email]>
wrote: -----
To: OIA/LGOIMA requests at New Zealand Police <[New Zealand Police request email]>
From: David Johnston <[FOI #5248 email]>
Date: 15/03/2017 09:49PM
Subject: Re: Re: Official Information request - A copy of the OIA request
filed by M M Smith on December 05 2016.
Dear New Zealand Police,
Hi there.
The OIA does not require that I file an OIA request through the police
online portal.
Please fulfill this request as per the original email.
Please note that by the law, the police should have normally responded
promptly and by February 20, 2017.
Yours faithfully,
David Johnston
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From: David Johnston
Dear New Zealand Police,
Hi there.
I'd like to bring to your attention this OIA request that is yet to be fulfilled. It was due February 20, 2017. If the original email is not preserved in this email thread, you can also see it here: https://fyi.org.nz/request/5248-a-copy-o...
There appears to have been a processing error on NZ Police's end.
The OIA does not require that I file an OIA request through the police online portal.
Please fulfill this request as per the original email.
Yours faithfully,
David Johnston
New Zealand Police
Dear Sir,
The website you have received advice from contains incorrect information.
( [1]https://fyi.org.nz/body/new_zealand_poli...) Please
refer them to this link for its members.
[2]https://forms.police.govt.nz/oiarequest
A Supervisor has been advised of this matter.
Yours sincerely
NZ Police Information.
-----David Johnston <[FYI request #5248 email]> wrote:
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To: OIA/LGOIMA requests at New Zealand Police <[New Zealand Police request email]>
From: David Johnston <[FYI request #5248 email]>
Date: 15/03/2017 10:21PM
Subject: Re: Official Information request - A copy of the OIA request
filed by M M Smith on December 05 2016.
Dear New Zealand Police,
Hi there.
I'd like to bring to your attention this OIA request that is yet to be
fulfilled. It was due February 20, 2017. If the original email is not
preserved in this email thread, you can also see it here:
[3]https://fyi.org.nz/request/5248-a-copy-o...
There appears to have been a processing error on NZ Police's end.
The OIA does not require that I file an OIA request through the police
online portal.
Please fulfill this request as per the original email.
Yours faithfully,
David Johnston
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Please use this email address for all replies to this request:
[FYI request #5248 email]
Disclaimer: This message and any reply that you make will be published on
the internet. Our privacy and copyright policies:
[4]https://fyi.org.nz/help/officers
If you find this service useful as an Official Information officer, please
ask your web manager to link to us from your organisation's OIA or LGOIMA
page.
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Oliver Lineham (FYI.org.nz volunteer) left an annotation ()
Police have made a fundamental mistake in understanding the Official Information Act above.
They are legally required to respond to the OIA as already received. This is under the Official Information Act section 12(1AA):
"A request under subsection (1) -- (a) may be made in any form and communicated by any means"
This has also been absolutely clear by the Office of the Ombudsman: http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resou... (note this guidance from the Ombudsman makes specific reference to FYI.org.nz as a valid means of making a request).
In addition, complaining that "information line staff do not have access" and referring you to a police station or national headquarters is absolutely unacceptable. The OIA makes New Zealand Police as a whole subject to OIA. If the particular part of the authority which receives the request are not able to respond to it, it is THEIR responsibility to forward it internally however is required to answer it. The internal structure of an organisation is not the requester's problem.
I urge you to follow up again with police, cite the above, and note that you will complain to the Ombudsman if they continue to refuse. (You are well within your rights to complain right now, as they are overdue and have effectively refused your request.)
As I am not the requester I cannot make a complaint to the Ombudsman myself, but I will certainly try to bring this request to their attention as it appears to be evidence of significant misunderstanding by Police of their obligations under the law.
Oliver
FYI.org.nz
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New Zealand Police
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Mr Johnston
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That is a fantastic response from the Police. Well done Mike Webb!
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Oliver Lineham (FYI.org.nz volunteer) left an annotation ()
Hi David,
The response from Police above is incorrect. You are under no obligation to log your OIA request through their form. Authorities cannot dictate this.
Your OIA request was received by Police on January 22 and they are under legal obligation to respond to it. You should reiterate that they were required by law to respond by February 20, and must do so now urgently.
Since it looks like they completely ignored the initial request, it's probably also a good idea to include a copy of it.
Oliver
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