Staffing
Mr ED Hirsche made this Official Information request to Ministry of Education
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From: Mr ED Hirsche
Dear Ministry of Education,
I see in the news today that Orewa college does not have enough teachers. I also remember that PM Luxon announced that all new teachers will be required to have level 2 maths which can't help staffing numbers.
I ask the following question under the oia:
1. Please release a copy of all correspondence between the Ministry, the Minister and/or Associate Minister of Education and their respective offices in the last 6 months covering teacher supply, staffing and availability. Correspondence should include formal reports but should also include emails, weekly reports, notes of meetings etc. This should include, but certainly not be limited to, any advice around ITE enrollment which are dropping catastrophically.
2. Please release a copy of all correspondence between the Ministry, the Minister and/or the Associate Minister of Education, PM Luxon, their respective offices or DPMC regarding the implications of requiring ncea level 2 on teacher supply, staffing and availability.
To avoid doubt - please include ece in the above request
Yours faithfully,
Mr ED Hirsche
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Kia ora Mr ED Hirsche
Thank you for your request for information below. The Ministry will
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From: Mr ED Hirsche <[5][FOI #28345 email]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2024 12:18 PM
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Subject: Official Information request - Staffing
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Dear Ministry of Education,
I see in the news today that Orewa college does not have enough teachers.
I also remember that PM Luxon announced that all new teachers will be
required to have level 2 maths which can't help staffing numbers.
I ask the following question under the oia:
1. Please release a copy of all correspondence between the Ministry, the
Minister and/or Associate Minister of Education and their respective
offices in the last 6 months covering teacher supply, staffing and
availability. Correspondence should include formal reports but should also
include emails, weekly reports, notes of meetings etc. This should
include, but certainly not be limited to, any advice around ITE enrollment
which are dropping catastrophically.
2. Please release a copy of all correspondence between the Ministry, the
Minister and/or the Associate Minister of Education, PM Luxon, their
respective offices or DPMC regarding the implications of requiring ncea
level 2 on teacher supply, staffing and availability.
To avoid doubt - please include ece in the above request
Yours faithfully,
Mr ED Hirsche
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From: Enquiries National
Ministry of Education
Tçnâ koe ED
Thank you for your email of 10 September 2024 to the Ministry of Education
(the Ministry) requesting the following information:
1. Please release a copy of all correspondence between the Ministry, the
Minister and/or Associate Minister of Education and their respective
offices in the last 6 months covering teacher supply, staffing and
availability. Correspondence should include formal reports but should
also include emails, weekly reports, notes of meetings etc. This
should include, but certainly not be limited to, any advice around ITE
enrolment which are dropping catastrophically.
2. Please release a copy of all correspondence between the Ministry, the
Minister and/or the Associate Minister of Education, PM Luxon, their
respective offices or DPMC regarding the implications of requiring
ncea level 2 on teacher supply, staffing and availability.
To avoid doubt - please include ece in the above request.
Your request, as currently worded, is very broad in nature and scope and
would require a substantial amount of time to collate. As it currently
stands, you request would very likely be refused under section 18(f) of
the Act as the information requested cannot be made available without
substantial collation or research.
Particularly, your request for all correspondence would require an
extensive IT search of all emails across several different Ministry
business units, as well as with the relevant Ministers’ offices, from
April 2024 to the present, followed by a manual review of each item, in
order to determine if the correspondence is in scope of your request.
An IT search by keywords such as ‘teacher supply, staffing and
availability’ is also likely to yield many items of correspondence, which
may not be related to your request. Likewise, for other parts of your
request, there is no defined set of keywords than can easily be searched
to ensure all information potentially in scope of the request is captured.
For example, the term ‘implications’ could be expressed in any number of
ways.
In the hope of avoiding a full refusal, we ask that you refine the nature
and scope of your request.
Please note that in line with Section 15 (1AA) of the Act, if a request is
amended or clarified after the date on which it is received, the Ministry
may treat the amended or clarified request as a new request that replaces
the original request.
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From: Mr ED Hirsche
Dear Enquiries National,
Thank you for your response. You make a reasonable point and I am happy to refine my query.
I would like to refine my request to cover solely formal written advice from the Ministry to either Minister, in the form of eduction reports, briefing notes, aide memois and weekly reports for the same period and same topics as before. I imagine these will be much easier to locate - most ministries hbe a central team who keep copies of these in a single place.
Please inform me if this request is now achievable. I would also ask you consider not resetting the clock (as you have the power to do under 15 1aa) as I have quickly provided you with a much narrower request.
Yours sincerely,
Mr ED Hirsche
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From: Enquiries National
Ministry of Education
Dear ED
Thankyou for your refined request which we consider to be achievable. We
will provide the information as soon as it can be collated and prepared
for release.
However, as we cannot commence a search for information until a clarified
request is received, we note that the new timeframe requires the
information to be provided no later than 16 October 2024.
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Tēnā koe ED
Please find attached a response to your request under the Official
Information Act.
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From: Mr ED Hirsche
Dear Enquiries National,
Thank you for your response. I have considered it carefully.
I would like you to confirm that you are completely confident in whthildimg the 4 documents in full under section f.iv. Doing so would imply that the entirety of the document is 'advice', with no background materials, factual analysis, etc. It seems very unlikely given the titles of the document, especially document 7 and 8. Rather. I would expect some parts of the document wouldbe withheld and the reminder released, as yu have done in the proactively released documents.
Please also expand my request to include the final piece of advice you refer to in your letter to me that has been recently sent and you seek to withhold in a similar way.
Finally, please confirm that this list of documents is complete. In my (revised) request, I specifically included weekly report items. Please confirm that no weekly reports were sent to the Minister on this topic during this time.
Yours sincerely,
Mr ED Hirsche
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From: Mr ED Hirsche
Dear Ministry of Education,
I have not yet had a reply to my message of 17 October. Please can you confirm if you intend to reply to my message. If you do not, I will consider whether this is a matter I should raise to the Ombudsman.
Yours faithfully,
Mr ED Hirsch
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Ministry of Education
Tēnā koe ED
In response to your follow up enquiry regarding OIA 1335715, the Ministry
confirms its previous response to you and the decisions therein, which
includes the decision on the final piece of advice referred to in the
letter 14 October 2024.
We also confirm that the list of documents is complete and that there was
no information within scope of your request found in the Ministry's weekly
update to Ministers.
As also advised in the Ministry's response, you have the right to ask an
Ombudsman to review the Ministry's decision on your request, in accordance
with section 28 of the Act. You can do this by writing to
[1][email address] or to Office of the Ombudsman, PO Box
10152, Wellington 6143.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mr ED Hirsche <[5][FOI #28345 email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2024 8:49 PM
To: Enquiries National <[6][email address]>
Subject: Re: OIA: 1335715 – information regarding teacher supply
Dear Enquiries National,
Thank you for your response. I have considered it carefully.
I would like you to confirm that you are completely confident in
whthildimg the 4 documents in full under section f.iv. Doing so would
imply that the entirety of the document is 'advice', with no background
materials, factual analysis, etc. It seems very unlikely given the titles
of the document, especially document 7 and 8. Rather. I would expect some
parts of the document wouldbe withheld and the reminder released, as yu
have done in the proactively released documents.
Please also expand my request to include the final piece of advice you
refer to in your letter to me that has been recently sent and you seek to
withhold in a similar way.
Finally, please confirm that this list of documents is complete. In my
(revised) request, I specifically included weekly report items. Please
confirm that no weekly reports were sent to the Minister on this topic
during this time.
Yours sincerely,
Mr ED Hirsche
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Tēnā koe ED
Please find attached a response to your request under the Official
Information Act.
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