When does hate speech become a criminal offence
Gareth Watkins made this Official Information request to New Zealand Police
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From: Gareth Watkins
Dear New Zealand Police,
Could you please supply me with the legal advice that you received in relation to NZ Police's investigation into Auckland Pastor Logan Robertson's broadcast comments:
"I'm not against them [homos] getting married as long as a bullet goes through their head the moment they kiss ...that's what should happen" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQX36Tqf...)
A police spokesperson issued a statement to Newshub on 18/8/2017 saying that "no criminal offence has been committed".
I'm interested in finding out at what point will the NZ Police consider hate speech a criminal offence and whether the threshold differs depending on which community the speech is directed at.
For your reference Newshub reports the unnamed police spokesperson as saying:
"We have considered the appropriate legislation and sought a legal opinion on the matter and we are not in a position to pursue the matter any further, as no criminal offence has been committed"
(http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealan...)
PS: I reside in New Zealand.
Yours faithfully,
Gareth Watkins
From: MURRAY, Marcia
New Zealand Police
Dear Mr Watkins,
I refer to your Official Information Request which was submitted online
though [1]www.requests.fyi.org.nz on 18/08/2017, in which you requested to
be supplied with “the legal advice received in relation to NZ Police’s
investigation into Auckland Pastor Logan Robertson’s broadcast comments”
and “at what point will the NZ Police consider hate speech a criminal
offence and whether the threshold differs depending on which community the
speech is directed at”.
I have assessed your request.
In order for NZ Police to satisfy itself that you are eligible under
section 12 of the Official Information Act 1982, Police requests that you
provide supporting information as to eligibility, such as: your New
Zealand postal address; personal email address indicating a NZ domain; NZ
phone number on which I can contact you; or any identity documentation. I
would be happy to receive further information by your replying to this
email address: [2][email address] at your convenience.
For your information, Police relies on the following guidance provided by
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Yours sincerely
Marcia Murray
Detective Senior Sergeant
Manager : Investigations
Central Western Area
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From: Gareth Watkins
Dear Marcia,
Given that my request is about a recent event where (1) the killing of homosexuals was [and still is] advocated and (2) the police say no criminal offence has taken place, I don't feel safe giving out my personal details in this correspondence because it could potentially be published online.
If you can supply me with an email address to reply to and a commitment that my personal details won't be published I will happily comply.
Yours sincerely,
Gareth Watkins
From: MURRAY, Marcia
New Zealand Police
Hello Mr Watkins,
This email address is my personal work email.
I can reassure that once you have provided me your personal email address, communication will be directly to your email.
Police do not respond to OIA requests in a public forum and your personal details will not be disclosed.
Yours sincerely
Marcia Murray | Detective Senior Sergeant | Manager : Investigations | Central Western Area
Avondale Police Station| 1832 Great North Road, Avondale 1026 |021 1912693
-----Original Message-----
From: Gareth Watkins [mailto:[FYI request #6441 email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 August 2017 12:26 p.m.
To: MURRAY, Marcia <[email address]>
Subject: Re: REQUEST FOR INFORMATION
Dear Marcia,
Given that my request is about a recent event where (1) the killing of homosexuals was [and still is] advocated and (2) the police say no criminal offence has taken place, I don't feel safe giving out my personal details in this correspondence because it could potentially be published online.
If you can supply me with an email address to reply to and a commitment that my personal details won't be published I will happily comply.
Yours sincerely,
Gareth Watkins
-----Original Message-----
Dear Mr Watkins,
I refer to your Official Information Request which was submitted online though [1]www.requests.fyi.org.nz on 18/08/2017, in which you requested to be supplied with “the legal advice received in relation to NZ Police’s investigation into Auckland Pastor Logan Robertson’s broadcast comments”
and “at what point will the NZ Police consider hate speech a criminal offence and whether the threshold differs depending on which community the speech is directed at”.
I have assessed your request.
In order for NZ Police to satisfy itself that you are eligible under section 12 of the Official Information Act 1982, Police requests that you provide supporting information as to eligibility, such as: your New Zealand postal address; personal email address indicating a NZ domain; NZ phone number on which I can contact you; or any identity documentation. I would be happy to receive further information by your replying to this email address: [2][email address] at your convenience.
For your information, Police relies on the following guidance provided by the Ombudsman:
With requests submitted by post, the origin of the request will usually be clear from the post mark, and the requester will normally provide a return address, which should together provide sufficient assurance that the requester is in New Zealand, and therefore eligible.
With requests submitted by email, twitter or Facebook, it may not be apparent that the requester satisfies the eligibility requirements under the OIA. Agencies are entitled to make reasonable enquiries to satisfy themselves that a requester is eligible to make an OIA request. Often provision of a New Zealand postal address will suffice. This information can be conveyed, if requested, via personal message. The working day count won’t start until it is clear that the request is made by a person who is eligible to do so.
Agencies must be mindful of their obligation to provide reasonable assistance to a person who wants to make an official information request, but hasn’t made one in compliance with the legislation.
Yours sincerely
Marcia Murray
Detective Senior Sergeant
Manager : Investigations
Central Western Area
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Mark Hanna left an annotation ()
This sounds like NZ Police might be trying to move discussion of this request away from FYI. I'd recommend that you explicitly ask them to send their eventual response to your request (which should not contain your personal information) to the FYI email address rather than to your personal email address.
From: Gareth Watkins
Kia ora Marcia,
I've just sent you a private email containing my postal address to confirm I reside in NZ.
Please do not reply to that private email, but send all replies to my OIA request via the FYI email address (removing of course my address details). I ask you to reply to the FYI email address because there is wider public interest in this investigation and the NZ Police have publicly responded to hundreds of other requests via the FYI website.
I look forward to hearing from you,
Yours sincerely,
Gareth Watkins
From: MURRAY, Marcia
New Zealand Police
I am out of the office on Thursday the 24th of August 2017.
If your matter is urgent please contact Inspector WHITTAKER
([email address])
From: MURRAY, Marcia
New Zealand Police
Dear Mr Watkins,
Your request for the legal advice received has been declined pursuant to
Section S9(2)(h) – Legal Professional Privilege.
In response to your second question “at what point will the NZ Police
consider hate speech a criminal offence and whether the threshold differs
depending on which community the speech is directed at”.
In assessing criminal offending Police assess the evidence available, the
elements of the alleged offending and the Solicitor General’s prosecution
guidelines. Police do not differentiate between communities and consider
all alleged offences equally.
Yours sincerely
Marcia Murray
Detective Senior Sergeant
Manager : Investigations
Central Western Area
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WARNING
The information contained in this email message is intended for the
addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be
subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which
creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you
are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this
message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this
message or any of its contents.
Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect
those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in
error, please email or telephone the sender immediately
Gareth Watkins left an annotation ()
Kia ora Marcia and NZ Police,
Today I had someone walk up to me and my partner in the street and say Fcken Homosexuals and then raise his hands in the form of a gun and state Headshot, Headshot as he pointed directly at our heads.
NZ Police's response to the Pastor legitimises hate speech. Thanks for your protection.
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Mark Hanna left an annotation ()
It's disappointing to see New Zealand Police employing this delaying tactic again. They're very inconsistent with when they choose to require proof of eligibility.
If this was an important part of their process then surely they should require it of every request made to them via FYI, at least if it's the first time they've received a request from that person. But they don't. I have certainly never been asked by them to provide this sort of information.
In fact, their own guidelines (released earlier this year here: https://fyi.org.nz/request/5237/response...) note that this is not necessary for them to apply this barrier, and that they should only request this information from you if they have concerns about whether or not a requester meets the requirements of section 12 of the OIA:
"It is not necessary to verify the identity of an OIA requester (unless they are a NZ body corporate requesting personal information about the requester (s25)) and they do not have to provide personal details. However, if you have concerns about the nature of the information sought and whether they meet the section 12 requirements of a person entitled to make a request (i.e. NZ citizen/permanent resident/in NZ), you may ask for a reasonable level of evidence, e.g. a NZ address or phone number, but you cannot demand proof of identity.
The purpose of checking eligibility is to ensure the Official Information Act applies to your response, including the ‘good faith’ protection from court proceedings provided by section 48."
Their guidelines also note that requests can be granted even if a person is not eligible:
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