Chiefs as decision makers on BCO complaints
Mark MacDonald made this Official Information request to Fire and Emergency New Zealand
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From: Mark MacDonald
Dear Fire and Emergency New Zealand,
1. In the most recent media on FENZ's dysfunctional complaints handling, Deputy Chief Executive Raewyn Bleakley said:
"… this was quite clearly articulated in the Coral Shaw Report that the BCO should provide the process but the recommendations for action should go back to the decision maker who is the line manager or the appropriate chief of the actual brigade or whatever area we’re talking about. And that is then where the disciplinary action takes place so we’re not going to confuse or merge those."
I request that FENZ provide the precise wording from the Shaw Report, verbatim, that Ms Bleakley is referring to.
2. I request that, for all complaints that were at some point in their lifespan dealt with within a version of the BCO (interim, permanent, etc), whether the complaint commenced there or not:
a) FENZ provide the date the complaint commenced in the BCO;
b) FENZ provide the job/position of the decision maker(s) (eg Chief, Area Manager, Group Manager, BCO Director, HR, etc), whether a decision was ever made on the complaint or not; and
b) FENZ provide the outcome eg unresolved/ongoing; disciplinary action; etc; and
c) FENZ state whether the accused person was stood down.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programme...
Yours faithfully,
Mark MacDonald
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Kia ora Mark
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From: Mark MacDonald
Dear Official Information Requests,
Thank you for your response.
Is Raewyn Bleakly going to publish a correction on the false statement she made to RNZ?
Yours sincerely,
Mark MacDonald
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Tēnā koe Mark
In your request for information dated 25 March 2022, you referred to a recent interview on Radio New Zealand. You quoted me as saying:
"… this was quite clearly articulated in the Coral Shaw Report that the BCO should provide the process but the recommendations for action should go back to the decision maker who is the line manager or the appropriate chief of the actual brigade or whatever area we’re talking about. And that is then where the disciplinary action takes place so we’re not going to confuse or merge those."
My quote was provided in the context of an unscripted question and answer interview where part of the recommendations were summarised. My statement in the interview referring to the recommendation going back to the decision maker was not false, so a correction is not required.
You have asked for “the precise wording from the Shaw Report, verbatim, that Ms Bleakley is referring to". In my response dated 27 April 2022, I referred you to the section of the Coral Shaw report that I was referencing. Again that is found on page 73 in the “Conclusions and Recommendations” section, which reads:
This sets out the recommended requirements for an independent investigation process. It identifies three aspects. The third part refers to the report and recommendation being sent to the decision maker, which is exactly what I said. To provide further context in the course of the interview, and to ensure that the public were clear on what that would mean, I further stated that the decision maker would be the line manager, or the appropriate chief of the actual brigade. That is clearly not false, but rather further helpful context, in the course of a live Q&A interview.
I trust this clarifies the matter for you.
Nāku noa, nā
Raewyn Bleakley
Deputy Chief Executive, Office of the Chief Executive
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From: Mark MacDonald <[FOI #18974 email]>
Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2022 9:43 am
To: Official Information Requests <[email address]>
Subject: Re: Information Request: Behaviour and Conduct Office
Dear Official Information Requests,
Thank you for your response.
Is Raewyn Bleakly going to publish a correction on the false statement she made to RNZ?
Yours sincerely,
Mark MacDonald
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Kia ora Mark
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Kia ora Mark
Attached is a response to your official information request.
Ngā mihi
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From: Mark MacDonald
Dear Official Information Requests,
Thank you for your response.
1. Attachment 2 didn’t answer my question. I didn’t ask for a list of positions that might hypothetically be decision-makers. I asked which positions HAVE BEEN the decision makers on each complaint.
I asked: “for all complaints that were at some point in their lifespan dealt with within a version of the BCO … FENZ provide the job/position of the decision maker(s) …, whether a decision was ever made on the complaint or not”.
2. I am aware that some complainants believe the decision on their complaint was made by the BCO, yet you do not include this in your response. Can you please confirm whether the BCO has been a decision maker on complaints? (This request will be superfluous when you answer the original request as it will be answered by the data on actual (not hypothetical) decision makers when you provide it).
Attachment 3:
Can you please explain the terms you have used for these variables:
3. What is BH&V?
4. Who does “Resigned during process” refer to? Ie which party resigned?
5. Does “disciplinary action” include paid and volunteer firefighters?
6. What does “disciplinary action” mean? It must not include termination, dismissal, discharge, final written warning, informal action, or written warning, because they all have their own categories?
7. Is dismissal/discharge for volunteers only and does “termination” refer to paid staff?
8. How can there be a category “HR historic outcome not recorded” when the BCO has only been running since late 2019? Surely there would be an outcome on every matter that is not in the “ongoing” category. Even if the complaint was from pre-BCO times, the BCO would still have to give the complainant an outcome because that’s its job.
9. What does “Informal action” mean and how is this different to “Resolved - informal”, “Educational Approach”, “Facilitated Intervention”, “Provided Information”, and “Resolved - Team restorative process” which are all informal actions?
10. For the 3 “resolved” categories, is it FENZ who decides if it’s resolved? Or the complainant?
11. I know that some complaints over this time period weren’t handled by the BCO (possibly due to the NZPFU advising its members not to engage or participate with Behaviour and Conduct Office stating that it believe the process to be “a shambles with the most basic principles of procedural fairness not being adhered to”).
Have you included the complaints that weren’t handled by the BCO in the statistics you provided? If not, please provide the same information previously requested for all other complaints over the same period of time.
12. Does the BCO record complaints that aren’t handled by it? Is there is a central complaints statistics reporting mechanism that records all complaints? Or is there the BCO reporting system plus other reporting systems all separate?
Yours sincerely,
Mark MacDonald
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Kia ora Mark
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Ngā mihi
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Kia ora Mark
Attached is a response to your official information request.
Ngā mihi
Information Requests Team
National Headquarters, Level 12, 80 The Terrace
PO Box 2133, Wellington 6140
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