Precise location of fixed speed cameras in New Zealand

Peter O'Connor made this Official Information request to New Zealand Police

Response to this request is long overdue. By law New Zealand Police should have responded by now (details and exceptions). You can complain to the Ombudsman.

From: Peter O'Connor

Dear New Zealand Police,

My request to the NZTA for precise location of fixed speed cameras to support my driver safety app was referred to New Zealand Police on 16 September 2014. Please advise the status of my request and explain why I have not received any acknowledgement of my request.

Yours faithfully,

Peter O'Connor

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New Zealand Police

Dear Peter,

Thank you for your email.
I ahve forwarded your email to the OIA team.

Kind regards,

PUBLIC AFFAIRS TEAM
NZ POLICE
JC

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To: OIA requests at New Zealand Police <[New Zealand Police request email]>
From: Peter O'Connor <[OIA #2147 email]>
Date: 04/11/2014 07:13AM
Subject: Official Information Act request - Precise location of fixed
speed cameras in New Zealand

Dear New Zealand Police,

My request to the NZTA for precise location of fixed speed cameras to
support my driver safety app was referred to New Zealand Police on 16
September  2014. Please advise the status of my request and explain why
I have not received any acknowledgement of my request.

Yours faithfully,

Peter O'Connor

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New Zealand Police

Dear Mr O'Connor

I apologise for the delay in responding to your request which was
transferred to Police on 16 September.

The request is now being addressed as a matter of urgency and you will
receive a reply as soon as possible.

Teresa McMahon

 

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To: OIA requests at New Zealand Police <[New Zealand Police request email]>
From: Peter O'Connor <[OIA #2147 email]>
Date: 04/11/2014 07:13AM
Subject: Official Information Act request - Precise location of fixed
speed cameras in New Zealand

Dear New Zealand Police,

My request to the NZTA for precise location of fixed speed cameras to
support my driver safety app was referred to New Zealand Police on 16
September  2014. Please advise the status of my request and explain why
I have not received any acknowledgement of my request.

Yours faithfully,

Peter O'Connor

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Cody C left an annotation ()

Hey there Peter, very curious to see a response to this. Did you get a reply from Police? Cheers, Cody

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From: Peter O'Connor

Dear New Zealand Police,

You have advised that on the basis you intended to release this information that you viewed it as publicly available. I've been monitoring the media and I've not seen any information about the location of speed cameras. Can you provide me a copy of your public release please?

I have to say that your actions to date are at best evasive and bordering on dishonest. Very disappointing from an organisation that should be placing a high priority on public safety .

Yours faithfully,

Peter O'Connor

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Peter O'Connor left an annotation ()

Hi Cody,

I've lodged a complaint with the ombudsman over this but no progress there as yet either. I don't intend to drop this as I think it's a reasonable request. I think that eventually they will hang themselves with the delays and I can maybe use the media to highlight this as an example of obstruction and incompetence.

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New Zealand Police

Dear Peter

Thank you for your email.

See attached links:

[1]http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publi...

[2]http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/driving...

[3]http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/driving...

Kind regards,

PUBLIC AFFAIRS TEAM
NZ POLICE

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To: <[New Zealand Police request email]>
From: Peter O'Connor <[OIA #2147 email]>
Date: 11/02/2015 06:57AM
Subject: Re: Official Information Act request - Precise location of
fixed speed cameras in New Zealand

Dear New Zealand Police,

You have advised that on the basis you intended to release this
information that you viewed it as publicly available. I've been
monitoring the media and I've not seen any information about the
location of speed cameras. Can you provide me a copy of your public
release please?

I have to say that your actions to date are at best evasive and
bordering on dishonest. Very disappointing from an organisation that
should be placing a high priority on public safety .

Yours faithfully,

Peter O'Connor

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From: Peter O'Connor

Dear New Zealand Police,

Thanks for the links about additions to the fixed speed camera network. I found one set of GPS data in there and it's good to see that you're decided to release that level of detail. That's a great step forward, but as I originally requested, a digital format, ideally an API, is a much better option than having to extract data from documents.

The links only covered a small subset of the fixed camera network as I asked for all fixed speed camera locations, not just the location of new generation cameras. You clearly have the data I've requested and you indicated you were going to release it. This is why you determined it was 'publicly available' already and refused to release it to me in the first instance.

When can I expect the balance of the data set to be made public to deliver on your earlier statement? I'm expecting you to provide GPS details for detail for all fixed speed cameras in the network as per my original request.

Yours faithfully,

Peter O'Connor

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New Zealand Police

Dear Peter,

Thanks for your email. As noted on the website, the old, wet-film fixed
speed camera network (comprising 12 cameras), is in the process of being
replaced, and it is our intention to publish the locations of all the
camera sites (including GPS coordinates) as they are finalised and the new
cameras are gradually rolled out over the next 12-18 months. These will
be a mix of both old and new sites.

Note that four of the old cameras have already been replaced, with the new
digital technology now in place at those existing sites. These locations
have already been well publicised by Police.

Police welcomes public interest in the speed camera locations in the
interests of promoting road safety. It is in everyone's interest that the
camera locations are well publiscised so that people slow down and we can
reduce the number of people killed and injured in speed related crashes.

Kind regards,

PUBLIC AFFAIRS TEAM
NZ POLICE

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To: <[New Zealand Police request email]>
From: Peter O'Connor <[OIA #2147 email]>
Date: 12/02/2015 10:28PM
Subject: Re: Official Information Act request - Precise location of
fixed speed cameras in New Zealand

Dear New Zealand Police,

Thanks for the links about additions to the fixed speed camera network.
I found one set of GPS data in there and it's good to see that you're
decided to release that level of detail. That's a great step forward,
but as I originally requested, a digital format, ideally an API, is a
much better option than having to extract data from documents.

The links only covered a small subset of the fixed camera network as I
asked for all fixed speed camera locations, not just the location of new
generation cameras. You clearly have the data I've requested and you
indicated you were going to release it. This is why you determined it
was 'publicly available' already and refused to release it to me in the
first instance.

When can I expect the balance of the data set to be made public to
deliver on your earlier statement? I'm expecting you to provide GPS
details for detail for all fixed speed cameras in the network as per my
original request.

Yours faithfully,

Peter O'Connor

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Cody C left an annotation ()

Wow, that's certainly not what you asked for.

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From: Peter O'Connor

Dear New Zealand Police,

Are you saying that there are only 12 fixed speed cameras operating in New Zealand?

Yours faithfully,

Peter O'Connor

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Liam Stoneley left an annotation ()

Any news from the Ombudsman?

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Peter O'Connor left an annotation ()

Ombudsman has acknowledged my complaint and advised they're deciding whether or not to follow up. So far it's been a pretty disappointing performance from all concerned

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Cody C left an annotation ()

That is quite unusual Peter. I received an acknowledgement from The Ombudsman but they said there was quite a delay in responding. So they're saying that they are deciding whether or not to pursue it? Very strange indeed....

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Peter O'Connor left an annotation ()

Maybe so Cody, but the response from the Ombudsman was " We are still in the process of allocating your complaint to an investigator to consider whether an Ombudsman may be able to assist". That was six weeks ago.

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From: SMITH, Jason
New Zealand Police

Dear Peter

 

There are currently 19 static cameras in operation.

 

The 19 are made up of 12 wet film cameras and 7 digital new generation
cameras.

 

Thank you

 

 

Jason Smith
Road Policing Support | New Zealand Police - Nga Pirihimana O Aotearoa

P   +64 4 470 7107 | Ext: 44407 

E   [1][email address]
Police National Headquarters, 180 Molesworth Street, PO Box 3017,
Wellington, 6140, New Zealand

[2]www.police.govt.nz

 

 

To: <[3][New Zealand Police request email]>
From: Peter O'Connor <[4][OIA #2147 email]>
Date: 13/02/2015 05:51PM
Subject: Re: Official Information Act request - Precise location of fixed
speed cameras in New Zealand

Dear New Zealand Police,

Are you saying that there are only 12 fixed speed cameras operating in New
Zealand?

Yours faithfully,

Peter O'Connor

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From: Peter O'Connor

Dear SMITH, Jason,

Excellent, we're slowly making some progress here.

So there are 19 locations in all and you have provided the GPS coordinates for one of the digital new generation cameras. Please provide the same information for the remaining cameras as originally requested.

Your earlier comment about this information being publicly available is nonsense. You've provided zero location information about the wet film cameras, publicly or otherwise that I can find, and have provided the GPS coordinates for only one camera.

I'm struggling to understand your reluctance but I shall persevere. It may make an interesting book one day. I'll keep the Ombudsman informed.

Yours sincerely,

Peter O'Connor

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From: SMITH, Jason
New Zealand Police

Dear Peter

There are 67 static camera sites across the country. 56 of the sites are for wet film cameras and the remaining 11 are for the new generation digital cameras. The 12 wet film cameras referred to in my previous email, are used in the 56 wet camera sites, and the 7 new generation digital cameras can move around the 11 new generation digital sites. The technology involved means that a wet film camera cannot be used in a digital site and vice versa.

Information relating to the GPS co-ordinates of the wet film cameras had been available on the Police website but was taken down late last year as it was no longer current. As previously stated, as part of planned media activity Police intend to publish the GPS co-ordinates of the sites, most likely in the form of a corridor range, once the locations have been finalised and the infrastructure has been put in place.

As a result any request for the GPS co-ordinates of the camera sites will be declined by Police pursuant to section 18(d) of the Official Information Act 1982 as the information requested is, or will soon be, publicly available.

Yours sincerely

Jason Smith

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Cody C left an annotation ()

Haha. What a joke?

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Cody C left an annotation ()

Hey there,

You might be interested to read the following article. NZ Police are not the only ones installing cameras.

http://transportblog.co.nz/2015/02/25/ne...

Cheers,
Cody

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