Speeding Tolerance Levels
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From: Adam Irish
Dear New Zealand Police,
I request under the Official Information Act:
The dates for when speeding camera speed tolerances were reduced. Does this apply to highway patrol officers as enforcement as well.
If the Minister of Police was consulted and when this occurred. What other special interest groups/lobby groups were consulted.
What the rational was for the reduction/elimination of tolerances. (Other than the oversimplification of less spending means less accidents, presumably this could be applied to a 5km speed limit, clearly economic efficiency in terms of wasted time and transportation costs needs to be balanced, all so the principles of fairness and natural justice by which people drive).
What is the actual research on fatalities vs marginal speed limit increases, ig for every 5km increase in the speeding limit there is a 0.00002% per million increase in fatalities up to 130km. Or does such correlations not exist.
How was the 100km speed limit established to begin with on our highways, for example Germany has drive to your ability limits.
The police's rationale for having a speed limit and not allowing any tolerance around that target. That is, does NZ Police now assume and have a realistic expectation that people can drive to a target speed 100% of the time and never marginally exceed this.
Where do the proceeds for speeding tickets go. Are they held by NZ police, the Ministry of Justice or do they get returned to core crown accounts managed by the Treasury.
The targets that officers or local police stations have in terms of issuing tickets.
The total number of spending tickets issued monthly for the last 2 years across the country.
Any internal or ministeral briefings that outline or sign off the decision to reduce the tolerances.
Yours faithfully,
Adam
From: Ministerial Services
New Zealand Police
Tēnā koe Adam
I acknowledge receipt of your Official Information Act 1982 (OIA) request below, received by Police on 10 December 2022.
Your reference number is IR-01-22-38431.
Please note, as per section 2 of the OIA, the three weeks between 25 December 2022 and 15 January 2023 do not count as working days. You can expect a response to your request on or before 27 January 2023 unless an extension is needed.
Ngā mihi
Catherine
Ministerial Services
Police National Headquarters
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From: Adam Irish <[FOI #21382 email]>
Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2022 12:51 PM
To: Ministerial Services <[email address]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Official Information request - Speeding Tolerance Levels
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Dear New Zealand Police,
I request under the Official Information Act:
The dates for when speeding camera speed tolerances were reduced. Does this apply to highway patrol officers as enforcement as well.
If the Minister of Police was consulted and when this occurred. What other special interest groups/lobby groups were consulted.
What the rational was for the reduction/elimination of tolerances. (Other than the oversimplification of less spending means less accidents, presumably this could be applied to a 5km speed limit, clearly economic efficiency in terms of wasted time and transportation costs needs to be balanced, all so the principles of fairness and natural justice by which people drive).
What is the actual research on fatalities vs marginal speed limit increases, ig for every 5km increase in the speeding limit there is a 0.00002% per million increase in fatalities up to 130km. Or does such correlations not exist.
How was the 100km speed limit established to begin with on our highways, for example Germany has drive to your ability limits.
The police's rationale for having a speed limit and not allowing any tolerance around that target. That is, does NZ Police now assume and have a realistic expectation that people can drive to a target speed 100% of the time and never marginally exceed this.
Where do the proceeds for speeding tickets go. Are they held by NZ police, the Ministry of Justice or do they get returned to core crown accounts managed by the Treasury.
The targets that officers or local police stations have in terms of issuing tickets.
The total number of spending tickets issued monthly for the last 2 years across the country.
Any internal or ministeral briefings that outline or sign off the decision to reduce the tolerances.
Yours faithfully,
Adam
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Tēnā koe Adam
I refer to your Official Information Act 1982 (OIA) request dated 10
December 2022 for information related to speed limits.
Some of the information to which your request relates is not held by
Police, but is believed to be held by and is more closely connected with
the functions of the Ministry of Transport. The related portion of your
request is as follows:
How was the 100km speed limit established to begin with on our highways,
for example Germany has drive to your ability limits.
In these circumstances, we are required by section 14 of the OIA to
transfer your request. The portions of your request detailed above have
been transferred to the Ministry of Transport.
You will hear further from Ministry of Transport concerning the
transferred portion of your request.
Ngā mihi
Catherine
Ministerial Services
Police National Headquarters
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From: Adam Irish <[1][FOI #21382 email]>
Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2022 12:51 pm
To: Ministerial Services <[2][email address]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Official Information request - Speeding Tolerance
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Dear New Zealand Police,
I request under the Official Information Act:
The dates for when speeding camera speed tolerances were reduced. Does
this apply to highway patrol officers as enforcement as well.
If the Minister of Police was consulted and when this occurred. What other
special interest groups/lobby groups were consulted.
What the rational was for the reduction/elimination of tolerances. (Other
than the oversimplification of less spending means less accidents,
presumably this could be applied to a 5km speed limit, clearly economic
efficiency in terms of wasted time and transportation costs needs to be
balanced, all so the principles of fairness and natural justice by which
people drive).
What is the actual research on fatalities vs marginal speed limit
increases, ig for every 5km increase in the speeding limit there is a
0.00002% per million increase in fatalities up to 130km. Or does such
correlations not exist.
How was the 100km speed limit established to begin with on our highways,
for example Germany has drive to your ability limits.
The police's rationale for having a speed limit and not allowing any
tolerance around that target. That is, does NZ Police now assume and have
a realistic expectation that people can drive to a target speed 100% of
the time and never marginally exceed this.
Where do the proceeds for speeding tickets go. Are they held by NZ police,
the Ministry of Justice or do they get returned to core crown accounts
managed by the Treasury.
The targets that officers or local police stations have in terms of
issuing tickets.
The total number of spending tickets issued monthly for the last 2 years
across the country.
Any internal or ministeral briefings that outline or sign off the decision
to reduce the tolerances.
Yours faithfully,
Adam
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Kia ora Adam,
On behalf of the Ministry of Transport, I acknowledge your Official
Information Act request partially transferred to us on 10 January 2023
seeking:
“How was the 100km speed limit established to begin with on our highways”
We will endeavour to respond to your request as soon as possible, and in
any event no later than 13 February 2023, being 20 working days after the
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Tēnā koe Adam
I refer to your request of 10 December 2022 for the following information:
The dates for when speeding camera speed tolerances were reduced. Does
this apply to highway patrol officers as enforcement as well.
If the Minister of Police was consulted and when this occurred. What other
special interest groups/lobby groups were consulted.
What the rational was for the reduction/elimination of tolerances. (Other
than the oversimplification of less spending means less accidents,
presumably this could be applied to a 5km speed limit, clearly economic
efficiency in terms of wasted time and transportation costs needs to be
balanced, all so the principles of fairness and natural justice by which
people drive).
What is the actual research on fatalities vs marginal speed limit
increases, ig for every 5km increase in the speeding limit there is a
0.00002% per million increase in fatalities up to 130km. Or does such
correlations not exist.
How was the 100km speed limit established to begin with on our highways,
for example Germany has drive to your ability limits.
The police's rationale for having a speed limit and not allowing any
tolerance around that target. That is, does NZ Police now assume and have
a realistic expectation that people can drive to a target speed 100% of
the time and never marginally exceed this.
Where do the proceeds for speeding tickets go. Are they held by NZ police,
the Ministry of Justice or do they get returned to core crown accounts
managed by the Treasury.
The targets that officers or local police stations have in terms of
issuing tickets.
The total number of spending tickets issued monthly for the last 2 years
across the country.
Any internal or ministeral briefings that outline or sign off the decision
to reduce the tolerances.
Police requires an extension of time in which to respond to your request,
pursuant to section 15A(1) of the Official Information Act 1982 (OIA).
Specifically, section 15A(1)(b), consultations necessary to make a
decision on the request are such that a proper response to the request
cannot reasonably be made within the original time limit.
Police requires until 20 February 2023 to provide a substantive response
to your request. We are endeavouring to provide this to you as soon as
possible.
You have the right, under section 28(3) of the OIA, to make a complaint to
an Ombudsman about this extension.
If you wish to discuss any aspect of your request with us, including this
decision, please feel free to contact
[1][email address].
Ngā mihi
Julián (He/Him)
Ministerial Services Advisor
NZ Police National Headqurters Wellington
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Tēnā koe Adam
I acknowledge receipt of your Official Information Act 1982 (OIA) request
below, received by Police on 10 December 2022.
Your reference number is IR-01-22-38431.
Please note, as per section 2 of the OIA, the three weeks between 25
December 2022 and 15 January 2023 do not count as working days. You can
expect a response to your request on or before 27 January 2023 unless an
extension is needed.
Ngā mihi
Catherine
Ministerial Services
Police National Headquarters
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Irish <[5][FOI #21382 email]>
Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2022 12:51 PM
To: Ministerial Services <[6][email address]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Official Information request - Speeding Tolerance
Levels
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Dear New Zealand Police,
I request under the Official Information Act:
The dates for when speeding camera speed tolerances were reduced. Does
this apply to highway patrol officers as enforcement as well.
If the Minister of Police was consulted and when this occurred. What other
special interest groups/lobby groups were consulted.
What the rational was for the reduction/elimination of tolerances. (Other
than the oversimplification of less spending means less accidents,
presumably this could be applied to a 5km speed limit, clearly economic
efficiency in terms of wasted time and transportation costs needs to be
balanced, all so the principles of fairness and natural justice by which
people drive).
What is the actual research on fatalities vs marginal speed limit
increases, ig for every 5km increase in the speeding limit there is a
0.00002% per million increase in fatalities up to 130km. Or does such
correlations not exist.
How was the 100km speed limit established to begin with on our highways,
for example Germany has drive to your ability limits.
The police's rationale for having a speed limit and not allowing any
tolerance around that target. That is, does NZ Police now assume and have
a realistic expectation that people can drive to a target speed 100% of
the time and never marginally exceed this.
Where do the proceeds for speeding tickets go. Are they held by NZ police,
the Ministry of Justice or do they get returned to core crown accounts
managed by the Treasury.
The targets that officers or local police stations have in terms of
issuing tickets.
The total number of spending tickets issued monthly for the last 2 years
across the country.
Any internal or ministeral briefings that outline or sign off the decision
to reduce the tolerances.
Yours faithfully,
Adam
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From: Adam Irish
Dear Catherine,
I haven't received a response yet, can you please advise.
Yours sincerely,
Adam Irish
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Thank you for writing regarding your OIA request.
I apologise for the apparent delay; our systems indicate that an extension was needed for this request and this was sent to you on 25 January 2023. Please find attached a copy of that email.
Ngā mihi,
Lisa MacKenzie | Advisor | Ministerial Services
Strategy & Partnerships |PNHQ
E tu ki te kei o te waka, kia pakia koe e nga ngaru o te wa –
Stand at the stern of the canoe and feel the spray of the future biting at your face.
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2023 9:07 PM
To: Ministerial Services <[email address]>
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Dear Catherine,
I haven't received a response yet, can you please advise.
Yours sincerely,
Adam Irish
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Tēnā koe Adam
I refer to your request of 10 December 2022 for the following information:
The dates for when speeding camera speed tolerances were reduced. Does this apply to highway patrol officers as enforcement as well.
If the Minister of Police was consulted and when this occurred. What other special interest groups/lobby groups were consulted.
What the rational was for the reduction/elimination of tolerances. (Other than the oversimplification of less spending means less accidents, presumably this could be applied to a 5km speed limit, clearly economic efficiency in terms of wasted time and transportation costs needs to be balanced, all so the principles of fairness and natural justice by which people drive).
What is the actual research on fatalities vs marginal speed limit increases, ig for every 5km increase in the speeding limit there is a 0.00002% per million increase in fatalities up to 130km. Or does such correlations not exist.
How was the 100km speed limit established to begin with on our highways, for example Germany has drive to your ability limits.
The police's rationale for having a speed limit and not allowing any tolerance around that target. That is, does NZ Police now assume and have a realistic expectation that people can drive to a target speed 100% of the time and never marginally exceed this.
Where do the proceeds for speeding tickets go. Are they held by NZ police, the Ministry of Justice or do they get returned to core crown accounts managed by the Treasury.
The targets that officers or local police stations have in terms of issuing tickets.
The total number of spending tickets issued monthly for the last 2 years across the country.
Any internal or ministeral briefings that outline or sign off the decision to reduce the tolerances.
Police requires an extension of time in which to respond to your request, pursuant to section 15A(1) of the Official Information Act 1982 (OIA).
Specifically, section 15A(1)(b), consultations necessary to make a decision on the request are such that a proper response to the request cannot reasonably be made within the original time limit.
Police requires until 20 February 2023 to provide a substantive response to your request. We are endeavouring to provide this to you as soon as possible.
You have the right, under section 28(3) of the OIA, to make a complaint to an Ombudsman about this extension.
If you wish to discuss any aspect of your request with us, including this decision, please feel free to contact [1][email address].
Ngā mihi
Julián (He/Him)
Ministerial Services Advisor
NZ Police National Headqurters Wellington
[2][IMG][3][IMG][4][IMG]
Tēnā koe Adam
I acknowledge receipt of your Official Information Act 1982 (OIA) request below, received by Police on 10 December 2022.
Your reference number is IR-01-22-38431.
Please note, as per section 2 of the OIA, the three weeks between 25 December 2022 and 15 January 2023 do not count as working days. You can expect a response to your request on or before 27 January 2023 unless an extension is needed.
Ngā mihi
Catherine
Ministerial Services
Police National Headquarters
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From: Jorgia Kelsey
Kia ora Adam,
I’m preparing our response to the part of your OIA request that was
transferred to Te Manatû Waka which is:
How was the 100km speed limit established to begin with on our highways,
for example Germany has drive to your ability limits.
Can you clarify what information you are requesting here? I can provide
you with some detail on the background of when and why the speed limit
changed to 100kph, and the background on speed limit changes in NZ.
In terms of detail on how the law was changed, this is harder to obtain as
the law changed in 1985 and we don’t hold digital records of how the
change was made in law. I would need to search the archives to see if we
hold this, which may require an extension of time.
Let me know what information you are after, and I’ll finalise our
response.
Nâku noa, nâ
Jorgia
Jorgia Kelsey (she / her)
Kaitohutohu | Adviser
Ngâ Momo Neke me ngâ take Haumaru – Mobility and Safety
Te Manatû Waka Ministry of Transport
M: +64 22 100 1370| E: [1][email address] |
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Kia ora Adam,
On behalf of Helen White, please find attached our response to your
partial OIA request that was transferred to Te Manatû Waka Ministry of
Transport.
Ngâ mihi
Jorgia
Jorgia Kelsey (she / her)
Kaitohutohu | Adviser
Ngâ Momo Neke me ngâ take Haumaru – Mobility and Safety
Te Manatû Waka Ministry of Transport
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Tēnā koe Adam
Please find attached the response to your Official Information Act
request, received by New Zealand Police on 10 December 2022.
Please accept our apologies for the delay in providing you with this
response.
Ngā mihi
Dylan
Dylan
Advisor | Ministerial Services | Police National Headquarters
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Why not reduce the speed limits from 100 to 90 if the NZ morality police want a lower target speed. And have and open debate/election policy on this. Since the police of their own volition seem moving more towards safety vs economic efficiency/reducing time and transportation costs in the economic balance. The police set a precedent and acknowledgement that motorists cannot always travel exactly to the speed limit by having a tolerance level. Even cruise control fails and moves around 5k more and speedos themselves are not always 100%. Its unrealistic to say its not a target, just try driving at 80ks in front of a police car or in traffic and see what happens. Looking forward to see what this revenue generating activity is actually being spent on.
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