Covid deaths - vaccinated or non-vaccinated?
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From: Tracy Livingston
Ministry of Health,
Regarding this article below and info contained from a MOH spokesperson,
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/289642-co...
Could you please confirm whether these covid-19 deaths were of men/women who had received a Comirnaty/BioNTech or other covid injection, and if so, please give the timing of the injection compared to time of death.
Yours faithfully,
Tracy
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Kia ora Tracy,
Thank you for your email. This information is withheld in full under
section 9(2)(a) of the Act, to protect the privacy of natural persons,
including that of deceased natural persons.
Information regarding COVID-19 related deaths can be found at the
following
link: [1]www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics.
I have considered the countervailing public interest in release in making
this decision and consider that it does not outweigh the need to withhold
at this time.
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From: Tracy Livingston <[FOI #18934 email]>
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2022 13:40
To: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Subject: Official Information request - Covid deaths - vaccinated or
non-vaccinated?
Ministry of Health,
Regarding this article below and info contained from a MOH spokesperson,
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Could you please confirm whether these covid-19 deaths were of men/women
who had received a Comirnaty/BioNTech or other covid injection, and if so,
please give the timing of the injection compared to time of death.
Yours faithfully,
Tracy
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From: Tracy Livingston
Dear OIA Requests,
Regarding your reply, "Information withheld", "countervailing public interest does not outweigh the need to withhold" etc, I completely disagree with that statement.
If the MOH uses a partial data set in press releases, when the community is entitled to a complete data set, not what is known as 'cherry picked' data.
Your OIA request answer directed me to the not terribly helpful :https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-nove... this page contains incomplete data used in the table "Age and vaccination status of deaths within 28 days of being reported as a case" which has the category "Not fully vaccinated". The MOH needs to separate out the "entirely non-vaccinated" group with "one dose Comirnaty/covid-vaccine" group, otherwise those of us requiring information to help others with an informed consent process are unable to do this.
So please 1) answer the original question "Could you please state how many of these covid-19 deaths were of natural persons who had received a Comirnaty/BioNTech or other covid injection, and if so,
please give the timing of the injection compared to time of death. "
and since you directed me to the demographic page, I assume to help me answer question 1, I ask a second related question
2) "What is the number of deceased natural persons in the category "entirely non-vaccinated" in the table "Age and vaccination status of deaths within 28 days of being reported as a case"
regards,
Tracy
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Kia ora Tracy,
Thank you for your request for official information to the Ministry of
Health (the Ministry), on 25 March 2022 for the following:
“Could you please state how many of these covid-19 deaths were of natural
persons who had received a Comirnaty/BioNTech or other covid injection,
and if so, please give the timing of the injection compared to time of
death.
2) What is the number of deceased natural persons in the category
"entirely non-vaccinated" in the table "Age and vaccination status of
deaths within 28 days of being reported as a case"
Vaccination status of deaths related to COVID-19 in Aotearoa is publicly
available at:
[1]www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics.
The Ministry is unable to provide details on the time the vaccination is
taken. You may wish to reach out to specific District health Boards (DHBs)
or vaccination centres to see if they hold this level of detail. You can
find a list of DHBs and their websites here:
[2]www.health.govt.nz/new-zealand-health-system/key-health-sector-organisations-and-people/district-health-boards/district-health-board-websites
The Ministry is also unable to provide you with a response to the second
part of your request for privacy reasons, and it is therefore his
information is withheld in full under section 9(2)(a) of the Act, to
protect the privacy of natural persons, including that of deceased natural
persons. Please note, I have considered the countervailing public
interest in release in making this decision and consider that it does not
outweigh the need to withhold at this time.
Under section 28(3) of the Act, you have the right to ask the Ombudsman to
review any decisions made under this request. The Ombudsman may be
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Kia ora Tracy,
Thank you for your request for official information to the Ministry of
Health (the Ministry), on 25 March 2022 for the following:
“Could you please state how many of these covid-19 deaths were of natural
persons who had received a Comirnaty/BioNTech or other covid injection,
and if so, please give the timing of the injection compared to time of
death.
2) What is the number of deceased natural persons in the category
"entirely non-vaccinated" in the table "Age and vaccination status of
deaths within 28 days of being reported as a case"
Vaccination status of deaths related to COVID-19 in Aotearoa is publicly
available at:
[1]www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics.
The Ministry is unable to provide details on the time the vaccination is
taken. You may wish to reach out to specific District health Boards (DHBs)
or vaccination centres to see if they hold this level of detail. You can
find a list of DHBs and their websites here:
[2]www.health.govt.nz/new-zealand-health-system/key-health-sector-organisations-and-people/district-health-boards/district-health-board-websites
The Ministry is also unable to provide you with a response to the second
part of your request for privacy reasons, ad it is therefore his
information is withheld in full under section 9(2)(a) of the Act, to
protect the privacy of natural persons, including that of deceased natural
persons. Please note, I have considered the countervailing public
interest in release in making this decision and consider that it does not
outweigh the need to withhold at this time.
Under section 28(3) of the Act you have the right to ask the Ombudsman to
review any decisions made under this request. The Ombudsman may be
contacted by email at: [3][email address] or by calling 0800
802 602.
Ngā mihi
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From: Tracy Livingston
Dear OIA Requests,
I respectfully request again for the information in this OIA, as I see absolutely no reason that it would breech privacy concerns. The MOH is hiding behind data that looks, at face value, that the vaccinated are dying in greater number with and/or from covid than the non-vaccinated. There is no way of knowing for sure because of this bizarre statistical game played which I have never seen in science nor in statistics, of combining two completely unrelated data sets - the completely non-vaccinated and the 'partially' vaccinated (I assume one vaccination). Both you and I know it's nonsensical and makes a mockery of health statistics. It is certainly in the public interest to know this data as the Govt is using Covid death rates to push more vaccination.
Since there are more deaths in the vaccinated than the non-vaccinated, as this data clearly shows even in its corrupted state, now I need both the information I requested PLUS all the communications between the MOH and the Dept of the Prime Minister and the Minister of the Covid Public Health Response pertaining to death and death rate and side effects following covid vaccination and what actions were decided to be taken and who made the decisions on those actions.
As an addition, I would like any and all government communications, including with police, regarding the vaccination status and subsequent death of Pauline Hanna, also known as Pauline Polkinghorne.
As the first part of this request is on going, I believe that you should provide the information immediately, but comprehend that the new information request may take longer.
I look forward to hearing from you in due course. Thank you for your time.
Yours sincerely,
Tracy
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Kia ora Tracy,
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Kia ora Tracy,
Thank you for your request for official information, received on 27 April
2022 for:
“I need both the information I requested PLUS all the communications
between the MOH and the Dept of the Prime Minister and the Minister of the
Covid Public Health Response pertaining to death and death rate and side
effects following covid vaccination and what actions were decided to be
taken and who made the decisions on those actions.
As an addition, I would like any and all government communications,
including with police, regarding the vaccination status and subsequent
death of Pauline Hanna, also known as Pauline Polkinghorne.”
We are contacting you in accordance with section 18B of the Official
Information Act 1982 (the Act) as your request, as it is currently worded,
is for a very large volume of information. Your request may be refused
under section 18(f) of the Act as the information requested cannot be made
available without substantial collation or research.
If it is possible for you to narrow the scope of your request by selecting
a shorter time frame or specifying a topic, we may be able to provide you
with information.
Please respond by 10 May 2022 so that we can consider your refinement in
our response to your request.
We look forward to receiving your response.
Ngâ mihi
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Kia ora Tracy,
The Ministry is following up on the below email. Could you please advise
if it is possible for you to narrow the scope of your request?
Ngâ mihi
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Sent: Friday, 6 May 2022 2:04 pm
To: [FOI #18934 email]
Cc: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Subject: Refinement of your request, ref: H202205716
Kia ora Tracy,
Thank you for your request for official information, received on 27 April
2022 for:
“I need both the information I requested PLUS all the communications
between the MOH and the Dept of the Prime Minister and the Minister of the
Covid Public Health Response pertaining to death and death rate and side
effects following covid vaccination and what actions were decided to be
taken and who made the decisions on those actions.
As an addition, I would like any and all government communications,
including with police, regarding the vaccination status and subsequent
death of Pauline Hanna, also known as Pauline Polkinghorne.”
We are contacting you in accordance with section 18B of the Official
Information Act 1982 (the Act) as your request, as it is currently worded,
is for a very large volume of information. Your request may be refused
under section 18(f) of the Act as the information requested cannot be made
available without substantial collation or research.
If it is possible for you to narrow the scope of your request by selecting
a shorter time frame or specifying a topic, we may be able to provide you
with information.
Please respond by 10 May 2022 so that we can consider your refinement in
our response to your request.
We look forward to receiving your response.
Ngâ mihi
OIA Services Team
[3]Ministry of Health information releases
[4]Unite against COVID-19
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Kia ora Tracy
Please find attached a letter regarding your request for information.
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From: Tracy Livingston
Dear OIA Requests,
I respectfully request again for the information in this OIA, as I see absolutely no reason that it would breech privacy concerns. The MOH is hiding behind data that looks, at face value, that the vaccinated are dying in greater number with and/or from covid than the non-vaccinated. There is no way of knowing for sure because of this bizarre statistical game played which I have never seen in science nor in statistics, of combining two completely unrelated data sets - the completely non-vaccinated and the 'partially' vaccinated (I assume one vaccination). Both you and I know it's nonsensical and makes a mockery of health statistics. It is certainly in the public interest to know this data as the Govt is using Covid death rates to push more vaccination. The original request asked simply for the entirely NON-vaccinated numbers to be removed from the reporting column of 'partially vaccinated' in regard to death rates and reported in their own separate column.
thanking you in advance
livingwoman: tracy-jane:
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Kia ora Tracy,
Thank you for your request for official information. The Ministry's
reference number for your request is: H2022007268.
As required under the Official Information Act 1982, the Ministry will
endeavour to respond to your request no later than 20 working days after
the day your request was received. If you'd like to calculate the
timeframe, you can use the Ombudsman's online calculator
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Due to the COVID-19 global pandemic response, the Ministry is experiencing
significantly higher volumes of queries and requests for information. If
we are unable to respond to your request within this time frame, we will
notify you of an extension of that time frame.
If you have any queries related to this request, please do not hesitate to
get in touch.
Ngā mihi
OIA Services Team
M[2]inistry of Health information releases
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Kia ora Tracy
Thank you for your follow up request under the Official Information Act
1982 (the Act) on 11 July 2022 for:
"I respectfully request again for the information in this OIA, as I see
absolutely no reason that it would breech privacy concerns. The MOH is
hiding behind data that looks, at face value, that the vaccinated are
dying in greater number with and/or from covid than the non-vaccinated.
There is no way of knowing for sure because of this bizarre statistical
game played which I have never seen in science nor in statistics, of
combining two completely unrelated data sets - the completely
non-vaccinated and the 'partially' vaccinated (I assume one vaccination).
Both you and I know it's nonsensical and makes a mockery of health
statistics. It is certainly in the public interest to know this data as
the Govt is using Covid death rates to push more vaccination. The original
request asked simply for the entirely NON-vaccinated numbers to be removed
from the reporting column of 'partially vaccinated' in regard to death
rates and reported in their own separate column."
The categories ‘partially vaccinated’ and ‘unvaccinated’ deaths on the web
page in the ‘deaths where covid is the underlying cause of death’ table
are combined because there are a very small number of deaths with only 1
dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. As of 29 July 2022, of the 195 deaths that
are ‘less than fully vaccinated’, there are 26 who are partially
vaccinated and 169 who are unvaccinated. Providing an age breakdown of 26
people would result in very small numbers, and ones which increase quite
slowly day to day. This increases the risk of identification of an
individual, revealing sensitive medical information about them. Therefore,
the Ministry combines the two into one category.
Under section 28(3) of the Act you have the right to ask the Ombudsman to
review any decisions made under this request. The Ombudsman may be
contacted by email at: [1][email address] or by calling 0800
802 602.
Ngâ mihi
OIA Services Team
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U[3]nite against COVID-19
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