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From: Chris Johnston

Dear Ministry of Health,

Please provide all Records mentioning Matt/Matthew Shelton or Sue Grey or Outdoors and Freedom Party or Nanotechnology - received or created or modified since 1 Jan 2022 to the date and time any search is conducted by the MoH.

This will include (but not be limited to) anything submitted to Parliament’s Health Select Committee.

Records received or generated in paper or electronic form are included in the request including any written notes or emails by officials.

Where a relevant email is found by this request then the whole email chain will be returned.

Yours faithfully,

Chris Johnston

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Thank you for your Official Information Act request. This is
an automatic reply to let you know we received it.

In accordance with the Act, we'll let you know our decision within no more
than 20 working days. If you'd like to calculate the timeframe, you can
use the Ombudsman's online calculator
here: [1]http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/

Due to the COVID-19 global pandemic response, the Ministry is experiencing
significantly higher volumes of queries and requests for information. This
means we may take some time in responding to your request. The Ministry
regularly updates information about the COVID-19 situation and publishes
OIA responses considered to be of public interest:
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Please also refer to the Unite Against Covid-19 website for copies of
papers, minutes, and key advice for the decisions the Government has made
relating to COVID-19.

Sometimes we may need to clarify aspects of a request. You can expect to
hear from us soon if that is the case here.

Ngā mihi,

OIA Services

Government Services

Office of the Director-General

Ministry of Health

E: [3][email address]

 

 

 

 

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Kia ora Chris,

 

Thank you for your request for official information. The Ministry's
reference number for your request is: H202201108.

 

As required under the Official Information Act 1982, the Ministry will
endeavour to respond to your request no later than 20 working days after
the day your request was received. If you'd like to calculate the
timeframe, you can use the Ombudsman's online calculator
here: [1]http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/

 

Due to the COVID-19 global pandemic response, the Ministry is experiencing
significantly higher volumes of queries and requests for information. If
we are unable to respond to your request within this time frame, we will
notify you of an extension of that time frame.

 

If you have any queries related to this request, please do not hesitate to
get in touch.

 

Ngā mihi

 

OIA Services

Government Services

Office of the Director-General

Ministry of Health

E: [2][email address]

 

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Kia ora Chris,

 

Thank you for your request for official information, received on 4
February 2022 for:

 

“Please provide all Records mentioning Matt/Matthew Shelton or Sue Grey or
Outdoors and Freedom Party or Nanotechnology - received or created or
modified since 1 Jan 2022 to the date and time any search is conducted by
the MoH.

 

This will include (but not be limited to) anything submitted to
Parliament’s Health Select Committee.

 

Records received or generated in paper or electronic form are included in
the request including any written notes or emails by officials.

 

Where a relevant email is found by this request then the whole email chain
will be returned.”

 

We are contacting you in accordance with section 18B of the Official
Information Act 1982 (the Act) as your request, as it is currently worded,
is for a very large volume of information and is not specific. Providing a
response to your current request would involve a search through all
Ministry databases and emails and determining whether the specific words
are mentioned. Your request may be refused under section 18(f) of the Act
as the information requested cannot be made available without substantial
collation or research.

 

If it is possible for you to narrow the scope of your request by
specifying a topic, or a particular area, we may be able to provide you
with information.

 

Please respond by 18 February 2022 so that we can consider your refinement
in our response to your request.

 

We look forward to receiving your response.

 

Ngā mihi

 

OIA Services Team

 

[1]Ministry of Health information releases

[2]Unite against COVID-19

 

 

From: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2022 2:41 pm
To: Chris Johnston <[FOI #18447 email]>
Subject: Acknowledgement of your request for official information (ref:
H202201108)

 

Kia ora Chris,

 

Thank you for your request for official information. The Ministry's
reference number for your request is: H202201108.

 

As required under the Official Information Act 1982, the Ministry will
endeavour to respond to your request no later than 20 working days after
the day your request was received. If you'd like to calculate the
timeframe, you can use the Ombudsman's online calculator here:
[3]http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/

 

Due to the COVID-19 global pandemic response, the Ministry is experiencing
significantly higher volumes of queries and requests for information. If
we are unable to respond to your request within this time frame, we will
notify you of an extension of that time frame.

 

If you have any queries related to this request, please do not hesitate to
get in touch.

 

Ngā mihi

 

OIA Services

Government Services

Office of the Director-General

Ministry of Health

E: [4][email address]

 

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Dear OIA Requests,

Thank you for your enquiry.

This type of “keyword” request is not unreasonable and has been undertaken for me in many government agencies and upheld as an approach by the Ombudsman. This is for a a very limited time period and the modern search functions of email systems/databases support this - especially in large organisations such as the MoH.

However there may be some focus that I can bring to the request that will assist in minimising your work - we are all interested in using taxpayer funds efficiently.

If you can provide me with a way to contact a suitable person in the MoH by phone we can discuss and agree a focus/approach/wording that is acceptable to all.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Kia ora Chris

 

Please find attached a letter regarding your request for information.

 

Ngā mihi

 

OIA Services Team

 

[1]Ministry of Health information releases

[2]Unite against COVID-19

 

 

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Kia ora Chris,
Following your complaint to the Ombudsman, the Ministry is contacting you
regarding your request for information on 4 February 2022. You requested:

Please provide all Records mentioning Matt/Matthew Shelton or Sue Grey
or Outdoors and Freedom Party or Nanotechnology - received or created or
modified since 1 Jan 2022 to the date and time any search is conducted
by the MoH.
This will include (but not be limited to) anything submitted to
Parliament’s Health Select Committee.
Records received or generated in paper or electronic form are included
in the request including any written notes or emails by officials.
Where a relevant email is found by this request then the whole email
chain will be returned.

You were advised on 15 February 2022, that your request was refused under
section 18(f) of the Official Information Act 1982 (the Act), that
information requested was for a large amount information and cannot be
made available without substantial collation or research. 
This is due to the fact that the Ministry is unable to complete 'keyword
searches' for all inboxes that may have mentions of Matt/Matthew Shelton
or Sue Grey or Outdoors and Freedom Party or Nanotechnology. This would be
a manual task and would require a member of staff to search through each
individual inboxes of several directorates across the Ministry, which
would be a huge undertaking and would unreasonably interfere with the
workings of the Ministry. 
 
In order to make your request more manageable, could you please attempt to
narrow the scope of your request by selecting a shorter timeframe or
specifying a particular topic? 

Please respond by COB 17 May 2022 so that we can
consider your refinement in our response to your request.    

We look forward to receiving your response.  

Ngâ mihi

 

OIA Services Team

 

[1]Ministry of Health information releases

[2]Unite against COVID-19

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Dear OIA Requests,

Thank you for replying and considering my request again.

Rather than trying to shoot in the dark for what might be possible for the MoH to accomplish, I suggest that we have a conversation where I phone a number at an agreed time. Please let me know how I can contact you by phone.

The process/sequence I envisage is as follows:
1) we talk and agree what is reasonable
2) I confirm in writing via this channel the revised request
3) the MoH confirms it agrees in writing
4) the search is undertaken
5) the Ombudsman monitors

Please respond with your agreement and contact details.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Kia ora Mr Johnston, 

 

Thank you for your response. The Ministry does not believe that a phone
conversation would provide any further value or clarification and
therefore declines this invitation.  

 

To provide some context regarding the scale of your request, the Ministry
undertook a search of email correspondence containing the following key
words and timeframe you have requested:

 

Matthew Shelton, Matt Shelton, Sue Grey, Outdoors, Freedom Party,
Nanotechnology.

 

This returned 23,214 items across 1,7672 mailboxes in the Ministry.
Furthermore, this had a data volume of 51.7 GB. The Ministry is unable to
export such a significant number of items into another member of staff's
inbox as the standard size is 50GB. On this basis, the Ministry stands by
its decision to refuse your request under section 18(f) of the Act, as the
information requested cannot be made available without substantial
collation or research.

 

Under section 28(3) of the Act you have the right to ask the Ombudsman to
review any decisions made under this request. The Ombudsman may be
contacted by email at: [1][email address] or by calling 0800
802 602. 

 

Ngā mihi

 

OIA Services Team

 

[2]Ministry of Health information releases

[3]Unite against COVID-19

 

 

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From: Chris Johnston <[FOI #18447 email]>
Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2022 19:14
To: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Subject: Re: Your request for official information (ref.
574660/H202201108)

 

Dear OIA Requests,

Thank you for replying and considering my request again.

Rather than trying to shoot in the dark for what might be possible for the
MoH to accomplish, I suggest that we have a conversation where I phone a
number at an agreed time. Please let me know how I can contact you by
phone.

The process/sequence I envisage is as follows:
1) we talk and agree what is reasonable
2) I confirm in writing via this channel the revised request
3) the MoH confirms it agrees in writing
4) the search is undertaken
5) the Ombudsman monitors

Please respond with your agreement and contact details.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Dear OIA Requests,

The request was not an invitation. It was a way of ensuring that the MoH meets its obligations under the OIA Act the consult.

Any reasonable adjudication body will conclusion that the consultation must be meaningful. To date it might appear that the MoH has shown bad faith in the way it has sought to close down the consultation prematurely - as demonstrated in your need to respond after my complaint to the Ombudsman.

Your response includes no basis for the MoH’s state belief that it would provide “any further value or clarification”. Please state the basis of this belief.

In fact I have a proposition to put to you that I believe is possible to meet but due to the past behaviour my level of trust in providing this to you in writing and it being adequately considered is very low. Therefore my requirement for a meaningful consultation is that we verbally discuss and agree, then document the outcome.

This is entirely reasonable and indeed has been successful in other OIA’s.

Please confirm at your earliest opportunity. This request has been outstanding long beyond a reasonable or statutory timeframe.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Dear OIA Requests,

Today I received a voice mail on my mobile from the OIA Services Team at the MoH seeking to talk about this unresolved OIA and the outstanding complaint lodged with the Ombudsman.

The voice mail suggested calling 0800 855 066 and asking for the OIA Services Team.

This email is to document the attempt at a verbal discussion - which is much appreciated. Unfortunately when calling the number and asking for the OIA Services Team there is only an email address made available to the MoH Operator and a caller is unable to be put through to a physical person or team. The email address is [email address]

If you could call me back in the morning (Thursday 21 July) that would be good. Anytime up to 12 noon is likely to be the best time to successfully contact me.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Thank you for your Official Information Act request. This is
an automatic reply to let you know we received it.

In accordance with the Act, we'll let you know our decision within no more
than 20 working days. If you'd like to calculate the timeframe, you can
use the Ombudsman's online calculator
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Please also refer to the Unite Against Covid-19 website for copies of
papers, minutes, and key advice for the decisions the Government has made
relating to COVID-19.

Sometimes we may need to clarify aspects of a request. You can expect to
hear from us soon if that is the case here.

Ngā mihi,

OIA Services

Government and Executive Services

Office of the Director-General

Manatū Hauora (Ministry of Health) 

E: [2][email address]

 

 

 

 

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Dear Ministry of Health,

A note for the Ombudsman and the MoH to document that no subsequent contact has been made by the MoH to this point.

Yours faithfully,

Chris Johnston

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Kia ora Chris

 

 

 

Thank you for your time earlier to discuss the scope of your OIA request
and subsequent complaint to the Office of the Ombudsman (ref.
574660/H202201108).

 

To confirm our discussion, you’ve agreed to revise the scope of your
initial request to the following points:

 

o A copy of Sue Grey and Matt Shelton’s submission to the Health Select
Committee on nanotechnology
o A list of Ministry of Health attendees to the Health Select Committee
hearing
o All records mentioning Matt/Matthew Shelton, Sue Grey, Outdoors and
Freedom Party, or Nanotechnology from the hearing attendees’ inboxes
between 1 January 2022 and 4 February 2022 (date of your original OIA
request)
o All records mentioning Matt/Matthew Shelton, Sue Grey, Outdoors and
Freedom Party, or Nanotechnology from the Ministry’s Executive
Leadership Team members between 1 January 2022 and 4 February 2022
(date of your original OIA request)

 

If you could please advise if the above accurately captures the discussed
scope, it would be much appreciated.

 

As noted, the Ministry may seek a further refinement to the scope if
necessary.

 

We look forward to your response.

 

 

Ngâ mihi

 

Jan Torres

Manager, OIA Services Team

[1]www.health.govt.nz

[2]Ministry of Health information releases

[3]Unite against COVID-19

 

 

From: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2022 4:22 pm
To: Jan Torres <[email address]>
Subject: Fw: Your request for official information (ref.
574660/H202201108)

 

 

 

Ngâ mihi 

  

OIA Services Team 

M[4]inistry of Health information releases 
U[5]nite against COVID-19 

 

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From: Chris Johnston <[6][FOI #18447 email]>
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2022 16:21
To: OIA Requests <[7][email address]>
Subject: Re: Your request for official information (ref.
574660/H202201108)

 

Dear OIA Requests,

Today I received a voice mail on my mobile from the OIA Services Team at
the MoH seeking to talk about this unresolved OIA and the outstanding
complaint lodged with the Ombudsman.

The voice mail suggested calling 0800 855 066 and asking for the OIA
Services Team.

This email is to document the attempt at a verbal discussion - which is
much appreciated.  Unfortunately when calling the number and asking for
the OIA Services Team there is only an email address made available to the
MoH Operator and a caller is unable to be put through to a physical person
or team.  The email address is [8][email address]

If you could call me back in the morning (Thursday 21 July) that would be
good.  Anytime up to 12 noon is likely to be the best time to successfully
contact me.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Dear OIA Requests,

Thanks for you summary of our discussion. I have amended it as follows:

o A copy of Sue Grey and Matt Shelton’s submission to the Health Select
Committee mentioning nanotechnology. I believe it was at a meeting in January 2022 - they may have submitted on paper.
o A list of Ministry of Health attendees to the Health Select Committee
hearing when they made the submission.
o All records mentioning Matt/Matthew Shelton, Sue Grey, Outdoors and
Freedom Party, or Nanotechnology from the hearing's MoH attendees’ email inboxes
between 1 January 2022 and the date the MoH decides to run the query (it is now July 2022)
o All records mentioning Matt/Matthew Shelton, Sue Grey, Outdoors and
Freedom Party, or Nanotechnology from the Ministry’s Executive
Leadership Team members email inboxes between 1 January 2022 and the date the MoH decides to run the query (it is now July 2022).

A scanned version of any paper is acceptable - eg so that it can be emailed.

An email trail only needs to be provided once - that is where email A is replied to with B then just include the combined email trail of A+B once, whether or not the keywords are detected in A or B.

If the above is manageable to execute for the MoH then we are agreed. If it is not manageable then please detail the number of records that will be returned and let me know what you think is manageable. I am happy to consult further to get to a reasonable outcome.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Dear OIA Requests,

I note that it has been a number of weeks since my last email and no response has been received.

Could you please confirm that the MoH have:
- Received the amendments
- Accepted the amendments
- Started the process
- A target date for delivering the results - and what this date is.

The complaint is still open with the Ombudsman because the MoH has not communicated since our last interaction. I shall revisit this issue with them tomorrow afternoon (16 Aug 2022) if I have not received a response and a commitment to a delivery date.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Kia ora Chris,

 

 

Thank you for your patience while we considered your request.

 

I refer to your original request of 4 February 2022 under the Official
Information Act 1982 (the Act). On 26 July 2022, you amended the scope of
your request following a discussion with Jan Torres (Manager, OIA Services
Team):

 

o A copy of Sue Grey and Matt Shelton’s submission to the Health Select
Committee mentioning nanotechnology. I believe it was at a meeting in
January 2022 - they may have submitted on paper.

o A list of Ministry of Health attendees to the Health Select Committee
hearing when they made the submission.

o All records mentioning Matt/Matthew Shelton, Sue Grey, Outdoors and
Freedom Party, or Nanotechnology from the hearing's MoH attendees’ email
inboxes between 1 January 2022 and the date the MoH decides to run the
query (it is now July 2022)

o All records mentioning Matt/Matthew Shelton, Sue Grey, Outdoors and
Freedom Party, or Nanotechnology from the Ministry’s Executive Leadership
Team members email inboxes between 1 January 2022 and the date the MoH
decides to run the query (it is now July 2022).

 

The Ministry has conducted a search of its database and can advise that no
record has been identified of Sue Grey/Matthew Shelton/NZ Outdoors and
Freedom Party’s submission to the Health Select Committee regarding
nanotechnology. As you may be aware, copies of submitters’ written
submissions are made available on the [1]New Zealand Parliament website.
Pursuant to section 13 of the Act, the Ministry also conducted a search of
all submissions and advice that have been released to the public by select
committees in order to identify any submissions by the named
individuals/organisation. The results are outlined in the following table,
including a link to the submissions for ease of reference:

 

Title Date
[2]Pae Ora (Healthy Futures) Bill - The NZ Outdoors and 1 February 2022
Freedom Party
[3]COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill (No 2) - 8 November 2021
New Zealand Outdoors Party
[4]COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill (No 2) - 8 November 2021
Outdoor Party
[5]COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill (No 2) - 8 November 2021
New Zealand Outdoors Party Supp 1
[6]COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill (No 2) - 5 November 2021
Matthew Shelton
[7]COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill (No 2) - 14 October 2021
NZ Outdoors Party

 

You will note that these submissions relate to the [8]COVID-19 Public
Health Response Amendment Bill (No 2) and [9]Pae Ora (Healthy Futures)
Bill specifically, and there have been no submissions on nanotechnology
within the last year.

 

For this reason, your request is unfortunately refused under section 18(e)
of the Act, as the information requested does not exist or, despite
reasonable efforts to locate it, cannot be found. Further information
regarding the Select Committee process can be found at the following link
which may be useful to you:
[10]https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/how-t...

 

Under section 28(3) of the Act you have the right to ask the Ombudsman to
review any decisions made under this request. The Ombudsman may be
contacted by email at: [11][email address] or by calling 0800
802 602.

 

 

 

Ngā mihi

 

OIA Services Team

[12]www.health.govt.nz

[13]Ministry of Health information releases

[14]Unite against COVID-19

 

 

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From: Chris Johnston <[15][FOI #18447 email]>
Sent: Monday, 15 August 2022 15:03
To: OIA Requests <[16][email address]>
Subject: RE: Your request for official information (ref.
574660/H202201108)

 

Dear OIA Requests,

I note that it has been a number of weeks since my last email and no
response has been received.

Could you please confirm that the MoH have:
- Received the amendments
- Accepted the amendments
- Started the process
- A target date for delivering the results - and what this date is.

The complaint is still open with the Ombudsman because the MoH has not
communicated since our last interaction.  I shall revisit this issue with
them tomorrow afternoon (16 Aug 2022) if I have not received a response
and a commitment to a delivery date.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Dear OIA Requests,

Thanks for your reply and confirming that my specification of the request is acceptable to the MoH to search on.

Please review this video clip - especially the first few minutes where the participants say that they have submitted on that day 28th Jan 2022 to the health select committee. https://odysee.com/@spearhead4truth:e/Na...

They may have been making a personal appearance and speaking to a paper made previously. They state that they made revisions to their submission based on the nano tech that they had become aware of earlier in the week. Is there a:
- Record/submission from that meeting that was submitted by these attendees?
- Recording or minutes from that committee meeting?
- Notes made by the attendees from the MoH?

Notwithstanding the above, the remains parts of the OIA rewording accepted by the MoH seem to be possible to retrieve. Namely:
- MoH attendees to the committee meeting identified above on the 28th Jan 2022
- Search of the email inboxes - noting that it is now August so the search would be up to this point.

It seems from the video referenced above that there was some communication with the Director General requesting a meeting and the provision of information that was rejected. My request for the email search I anticipate would surface this information.

I hope that the above is helpful in assisting you to refine your search. I apologise that I did not find the video earlier and therefore was unable to provide the specific date. That would have made all our lives easier.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Dear OIA Requests,

I note that I have not received a reply to my last email.

Can you confirm the status of this enquiry, respond to the points in the last email, and any search results.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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Kia ora Chris, 

 

Thank you for your follow up email and please accept our apologies for not
responding sooner. 

 

As you were previously advised, Manatû Hauora has no record of any
submission from Dr Matt Shelton or Sue Grey to the Health Select Committee
regarding nanotechnology, oral or written. Therefore, this part of your
request is refused under section 18(e) of the Act, that the information
does not exist.  

 

Manatû Hauora conducted a search of the former Director-General’s inbox to
identify any correspondence referred to in your email below. Manatû
Hauora identified one email, please find this attached. Some information
has been withheld under section 9(2)(a) of the Act, to protect the privacy
of natural persons. I have considered the countervailing public interest
in release in making this decision and consider that it does not outweigh
the need to withhold at this time. 

 

I trust this information fulfils your request. Under section 28(3) of the
Act, you have the right to ask the Ombudsman to review any decisions made
under this request. The Ombudsman may be contacted by email
at: [1][email address] or by calling 0800 802 602. 

Ngâ mihi 

  

OIA Services Team 

M[2]inistry of Health information releases 
U[3]nite against COVID-19 

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From: Chris Johnston <[FOI #18447 email]>
Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2022 19:44
To: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Subject: RE: Your request for official information (ref.
574660/H202201108)
 
Dear OIA Requests,

Thanks for your reply and confirming that my specification of the request
is acceptable to the MoH to search on.

Please review this video clip - especially the first few minutes where the
participants say that they have submitted on that day 28th Jan 2022 to the
health select committee.
[4]https://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=15517&...

They may have been making a personal appearance and speaking to a paper
made previously. They state that they made revisions to their submission
based on the nano tech that they had become aware of earlier in the week. 
Is there a:
- Record/submission from that meeting that was submitted by these
attendees?
- Recording or minutes from that committee meeting?
- Notes made by the attendees from the MoH?

Notwithstanding the above, the remains parts of the OIA rewording accepted
by the MoH seem to be possible to retrieve.  Namely:
- MoH attendees to the committee meeting identified above on the 28th Jan
2022
- Search of the email inboxes - noting that it is now August so the search
would be up to this point.

It seems from the video referenced above that there was some communication
with the Director General requesting a meeting and the provision of
information that was rejected. My request for the email search I
anticipate would surface this information.

I hope that the above is helpful in assisting you to refine your search. I
apologise that I did not find the video earlier and therefore was unable
to provide the specific date. That would have made all our lives easier.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Johnston

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