Blanket Race Based Health Prioritization vs Genetic Risk Factor
Micky Turner made this Official Information request to Andrew Little
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From: Micky Turner
Dear Andrew Little,
Can you please forward all evidence held by the Government - which supports the implementation of blanket race based health prioritization vs case by case prioritization based on actual genetic risk?
While it is true that 'some' health issues are hereditary and gender &/or genes play a role in increased risk - surely not 'all' health issues can be attributed to race or gender. In many instances (if not most) it is unethical to bump a person up a priority queue simply because they are 'insert race &/or gender here'.
Wikipedia states:
'Racial segregation is the systematic separation of people into racial or other ethnic groups in daily life. Racial segregation can amount to the international crime of apartheid and a crime against humanity under the Statute of the International Criminal Court. Segregation can involve the spatial separation of the races, and mandatory use of different institutions, such as schools and hospitals by people of different races.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_seg...
Please forward all emails & discussions on record, as well as all research carried out by your Government and the Ministry of Health - including how a blanket race based prioritization system complies with New Zealand's obligations under local & international law.
Yours faithfully,
Micky Turner
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Kia ora
On behalf of Hon Andrew Little, Minister of Health, thank you for your Official Information request of 21 April 2021:
"Can you please forward all evidence held by the Government - which supports the implementation of blanket race based health prioritization vs case by case prioritization based on actual genetic risk?
Please forward all emails & discussions on record, as well as all research carried out by your Government and the Ministry of Health - including how a blanket race based prioritization system complies with New Zealand's obligations under local & international law."
The information requested appears to be more closely associated with the functions and responsibilities of the Ministry of Health. Accordingly I am transferring your request to the Ministry of Health under section 14(b)(ii) of the Official Information Act 1982.
You have the right, under section 28 of the Act, to ask the Ombudsman to review this decision to transfer your request for information.
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From: Micky Turner [mailto:[FOI #15232 email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2021 11:45 AM
To: A Little Office (MIN) <[Andrew Little request email]>
Subject: Official Information request - Blanket Race Based Health Prioritization vs Genetic Risk Factor
Dear Andrew Little,
Can you please forward all evidence held by the Government - which supports the implementation of blanket race based health prioritization vs case by case prioritization based on actual genetic risk?
While it is true that 'some' health issues are hereditary and gender &/or genes play a role in increased risk - surely not 'all' health issues can be attributed to race or gender. In many instances (if not most) it is unethical to bump a person up a priority queue simply because they are 'insert race &/or gender here'.
Wikipedia states:
'Racial segregation is the systematic separation of people into racial or other ethnic groups in daily life. Racial segregation can amount to the international crime of apartheid and a crime against humanity under the Statute of the International Criminal Court. Segregation can involve the spatial separation of the races, and mandatory use of different institutions, such as schools and hospitals by people of different races.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_seg...
Please forward all emails & discussions on record, as well as all research carried out by your Government and the Ministry of Health - including how a blanket race based prioritization system complies with New Zealand's obligations under local & international law.
Yours faithfully,
Micky Turner
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Kia ora
Thank you for your request for official information which was transferred
from Hon Andrew Little and received on 21 April 2021 for:
“Can you please forward all evidence held by the Government - which
supports the implementation of blanket race based health prioritization vs
case by case prioritization based on actual genetic risk?
While it is true that 'some' health issues are hereditary and gender &/or
genes play a role in increased risk - surely not 'all' health issues can
be attributed to race or gender. In many instances (if not most) it is
unethical to bump a person up a priority queue simply because they are
'insert race &/or gender here'.
Wikipedia states:
'Racial segregation is the systematic separation of people into racial or
other ethnic groups in daily life. Racial segregation can amount to the
international crime of apartheid and a crime against humanity under the
Statute of the International Criminal Court. Segregation can involve the
spatial separation of the races, and mandatory use of different
institutions, such as schools and hospitals by people of different races.
https://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=15517&...
Please forward all emails & discussions on record, as well as all research
carried out by your Government and the Ministry of Health - including how
a blanket race based prioritization system complies with New Zealand's
obligations under local & international law.”
The Ministry's reference number for your request is: H202104789.
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From: Micky Turner
Thanks Nick,
Any context I have given is only to give an 'indication' of the type of information I am requesting.
I have at no point asked for comment or for the Ministry of Health to create new information. Nor have I asked you to engage in a debate - which seems to be your objective. As far as I'm aware this is not a debating forum.
I am simply requesting 'existing' information that you have on record.
This article indicates that contrary to your claims - you likely do have the requested information on record:
"Capital & Coast and Hutt Valley DHBs are prioritizing Māori and Pasifika in our surgical scheduling processes."
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/...
I would appreciate it if you would please meet your obligations under the Act and provide the information. Happy to forward the matter onto the Ombudsman for clarification if you are unwilling to be honest & transparent.
Kindest regards -
Micky Turner
From: Micky Turner
Nick,
Please also note the following:
Official Information Act 1982
18B Duty to consider consulting person if request likely to be refused under section 18(e) or (f)
If a request is likely to be refused under section 18(e) or (f), the department or interdepartmental venture, Minister of the Crown, or organisation must, before that request is refused, consider whether consulting with the person who made the request would assist that person to make the request in a form that would remove the reason for the refusal.
I'm not seeing any attempt by you to be helpful - in fact it seems you are making every effort to be unhelpful and stonewall my request.
Kindest regards -
Micky Turner
From: OIA Requests
Kia ora Micky Turner
The Ministry of Health does not hold any information pertaining to your
request and stands by the decision to refuse your request under section
18(g)(i) of the Act.
You have the right under section 28(3) of the Act, to ask the Ombudsman to
review any decisions made under your request.
Ngā mihi
OIA Services
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From: Micky Turner <[FOI #15232 email]>
Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2021 12:33
To: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Subject: Re: Response to your request for official information
(H202104789)
Thanks Nick,
Any context I have given is only to give an 'indication' of the type of
information I am requesting.
I have at no point asked for comment or for the Ministry of Health to
create new information. Nor have I asked you to engage in a debate - which
seems to be your objective. As far as I'm aware this is not a debating
forum.
I am simply requesting 'existing' information that you have on record.
This article indicates that contrary to your claims - you likely do have
the requested information on record:
"Capital & Coast and Hutt Valley DHBs are prioritizing Māori and Pasifika
in our surgical scheduling processes."
[1]https://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=15517&...
I would appreciate it if you would please meet your obligations under the
Act and provide the information. Happy to forward the matter onto the
Ombudsman for clarification if you are unwilling to be honest &
transparent.
Kindest regards -
Micky Turner
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Kia ora
Please find attached a letter regarding your request for official
information.
Ngā mihi
OIA Services
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Ministry of Health
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From: Micky Turner
Dear OIA Requests,
To clarify -
You are saying that the Ministry of Health holds 'no' information at all - including email discussions, notes from board meetings and reports - regarding Capital & Coast and Hutt Valley DHBs prioritizing Māori and Pasifika in surgical scheduling processes? Or similar information from any other DHB's assessing this practice?
So effectively all work & discussions done on this subject were never recorded? There are no hard copies of statistical research and analysis on which these decisions were made? And there was never any work undertaken to ensure all aspects of racial prioritization comply with local and international law?
Please confirm.
- Micky Turner
From: OIA Requests
Kia ora Micky Turner
This information is not held by the Ministry of Health, it is held by the
DHBs, in this case Capital & Coast and Hut Valley DHBs.
Please advise if you would like us to transfer your request to these DHBs.
Alternatively, you can request this information directly from them
at: [email address] and [email address].
Please note your original request was for:
"Can you please forward all evidence held by the Government - which
supports the implementation of blanket race based health prioritization vs
case by case prioritization based on actual genetic risk?
While it is true that 'some' health issues are hereditary and gender &/or
genes play a role in increased risk - surely not 'all' health issues can
be attributed to race or gender. In many instances (if not most) it is
unethical to bump a person up a priority queue simply because they are
'insert race &/or gender here'.
Wikipedia states:
'Racial segregation is the systematic separation of people into racial or
other ethnic groups in daily life. Racial segregation can amount to the
international crime of apartheid and a crime against humanity under the
Statute of the International Criminal Court. Segregation can involve the
spatial separation of the races, and mandatory use of different
institutions, such as schools and hospitals by people of different races.
https://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=15517&...
Please forward all emails & discussions on record, as well as all research
carried out by your Government and the Ministry of Health - including how
a blanket race based prioritization system complies with New Zealand's
obligations under local & international law."
Which differs to your most recent request for:
"...information... - including email discussions, notes from board
meetings and reports - regarding Capital & Coast and Hutt Valley DHBs
prioritizing Māori and Pasifika in surgical scheduling processes? Or
similar information from any other DHB's assessing this practice?"
Ngā mihi
OIA Services
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From: Micky Turner <[FOI #15232 email]>
Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2021 13:38
To: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Subject: Re: Response to your request for official information
(H202104789)
Dear OIA Requests,
To clarify -
You are saying that the Ministry of Health holds 'no' information at all -
including email discussions, notes from board meetings and reports -
regarding Capital & Coast and Hutt Valley DHBs prioritizing Māori and
Pasifika in surgical scheduling processes? Or similar information from any
other DHB's assessing this practice?
So effectively all work & discussions done on this subject were never
recorded? There are no hard copies of statistical research and analysis
on which these decisions were made? And there was never any work
undertaken to ensure all aspects of racial prioritization comply with
local and international law?
Please confirm.
- Micky Turner
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Kia ora Micky Turner
The Ministry of Health does not hold any information pertaining to your
request and stands by the decision to refuse your request under section
18(g)(i) of the Act.
You have the right under section 28(3) of the Act, to ask the Ombudsman
to
review any decisions made under your request.
Ngā mihi
OIA Services
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From: Micky Turner <[FOI #15232 email]>
Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2021 12:33
To: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Subject: Re: Response to your request for official information
(H202104789)
Thanks Nick,
Any context I have given is only to give an 'indication' of the type of
information I am requesting.
I have at no point asked for comment or for the Ministry of Health to
create new information. Nor have I asked you to engage in a debate -
which
seems to be your objective. As far as I'm aware this is not a debating
forum.
I am simply requesting 'existing' information that you have on record.
This article indicates that contrary to your claims - you likely do have
the requested information on record:
"Capital & Coast and Hutt Valley DHBs are prioritizing Māori and Pasifika
in our surgical scheduling processes."
[1]https://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=15517&...
I would appreciate it if you would please meet your obligations under the
Act and provide the information. Happy to forward the matter onto the
Ombudsman for clarification if you are unwilling to be honest &
transparent.
Kindest regards -
Micky Turner
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From: Micky Turner
Dear OIA Requests,
Thank you - yes please redirect and address my requests to the DHB's.
Kindest regards -
Micky Turner
From: Micky Turner
Because the DHB's are merging & will have new operating rules - I will withdraw this request.
Thanks for your time.
Cheers - Micky
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