Source of background rate used in CARM reports
Athina Andonatou made this Official Information request to Ministry of Health
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From: Athina Andonatou
Dear Ministry of Health,
Please provide all sources and evidence used on the CARM reports for the numbers written as the "AESI background hospitalisation rates used to estimate the expected number of events in the general population, which help in vaccine safety surveillance. Counts indicate average of hospitalisation rates for the calendar years 2016-2019".
And please provide all documents that support it being used as an accurate predictor. It does not seem to be comparing the same conditions, if it was would it not also be more accurate if the adverse effects of this gene editing therapy were compared to the adverse effects from other injections. Or at least include the totals of the hospitalisation rates over the calendar years 2016-2019 for each of the adverse effects listed, minus those where a CARM report has been filed. This seems to be a more accurate method.
Yours faithfully,
Truth seeker and freedom lover
Athina Andonatou
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Kia ora Athina,
Thank you for your request for official information received on 26 May
2022 for:
"Please provide all sources and evidence used on the CARM reports for the
numbers written as the "AESI background hospitalisation rates used to
estimate the expected number of events in the general population, which
help in vaccine safety surveillance. Counts indicate average of
hospitalisation rates for the calendar years 2016-2019".
And please provide all documents that support it being used as an accurate
predictor. It does not seem to be comparing the same conditions, if it was
would it not also be more accurate if the adverse effects of this gene
editing therapy were compared to the adverse effects from other
injections. Or at least include the totals of the hospitalisation rates
over the calendar years 2016-2019 for each of the adverse effects listed,
minus those where a CARM report has been filed. This seems to be a more
accurate method."
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From: Athina Andonatou
Dear OIA Requests,
Thank you for your response. As stated in your reply "The purpose of the Adverse Events of Special Interest (AESI) section of the Adverse Events Following Immunization (AEFI) report is to discern if there is a safety signal from COVID-19 vaccines by noting if the number of reports for a condition is higher than expected. The purpose of the AESI section is not to compare vaccines. As stated in the report, the background rates are the mean numbers for the years 2016 to 2019".
Given that the background rates are the mean numbers for the years 2016 to 2019 for hospitalizations for the conditions noted in the CARM register, it raises questions on why there is no column showing the mean numbers of the hospitalizations for the periods the safety reports cover. Maybe I need to do an OIA on that.
Yours sincerely,
Athina Andonatou
M Bell left an annotation ()
I have received an OIA of the actual AESI hospitalisations from 2021, giving a reasonable comparison at least to report 39. https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/saf...
The OIA I have shows much larger numbers for several of the AESI when compared back to the background rate.
Athina Andonatou left an annotation ()
Funnily enough I went to www.health.govt.nz/nz-health-statistics/...
minimum-dataset-hospital-events. and I'm having challenges trying to match up the pericarditis/myocarditis numbers from the hospital records with the background rates they've used on the CARM register. Interesting. Any suggestions?
M Bell left an annotation ()
Well the 2021 actual hospitalisation rates that they supplied to me for those conditions were as follows:
Myocarditus 369
Pericarditus 1171
Hope that helps
Athina Andonatou left an annotation ()
Wow. Those numbers are higher than the background rates they're comparing the AESI's too on the CARM report.
I'm trying to make sense of the data from 2016-2019 that they're using to support those figures used as the background rates https://www.health.govt.nz/nz-health-sta...
Chris McCashin left an annotation ()
This OIA shows information relating to myocarditis discharges years 2000-2021. https://fyi.org.nz/request/19494/respons...
The last financial year 2020-2021 showed a total of 66 discharges with myocarditis. If you then download the AEFI spreadsheet from Medsafe this references through the year 2022 a total of 439 cases of Myocarditis. This is just a casual 565% increase. But according to MOH this is nothing to worry about because the benefits outweigh the risks yet they can't point to one risk benefit assessment. And also all these people with heart conditions probably got antibodies for a week or two so it was all worth it despite some of them likely crippled for life. Not sure why the public would be worried about this at all?!
Athina Andonatou left an annotation ()
Thank you.
So much smoke and mirrors. This is so criminal I have no words.
M Bell left an annotation ()
Very interesting that in the OIA I have been supplied there are some other very significant hospitalisations are hugely up from the stated background rates ie.
arthritus up 1029%
spontaneous abortion up 861%
And then some other things seem lower and not in line with other overseas information coming in, clearly obfuscation of data.
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