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From: Chuck Schooner (Account suspended)

Dear Jacinda Ardern, Ashley Bloomfield,

Prime Minister you are on record as saying the following

"People who are vaccinated will still get Covid-19 it just means that they won't get sick and they won't die".

Director General of Health you are on record as saying the following

"As I mentioned before in this forum and in a separate briefing on the 16th November as our vaccinations rise somewhat counterintuitively the proportion of cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise amongst those who are fully vaccinated".

I can provide video if required.

Pm can you please provide any and all evidence that supports your assertion that the vaccine will mean you won't get sick.

Director General of Health - can you please provide any and all evidence, briefings, papers that support your statement that deaths rise amongst those that are fully vaccinated. Can you also provide any and all evidence showing that more deaths in the vaccinated is a good thing for New Zealand?

I was of the impression lockdowns, masks vaccines were all designed to reduce death rates?

Director General of Health - can you please provide any and all information that Medsafe or MOH hold and if there was a warning of the Pfizer mRNA vaccine to the heart. A recent study titled
"mRNA Covid Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test - a Warning"

The study concludes that the mRNA vaccines dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscles which is likely to account for the increased number of adverse cardiac or vascular events and side effects such as thrombosis, caridomyopathy and others post vaccination".

The above effectively mirrors the side effects in the Medsafe reporting and the very large amount of side effects the vaccine is doing to people.

Can you please provide any and all information that Medsafe holds that refutes this study and states that the vaccine is safe for the heart?

Is a cost benefit analysis available to show that an increase risk in heart attacks in the whole population versus limited immunity from the vaccine has benefits that outweighs the risks?

Yours faithfully,

Chuck Schooner

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From: Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern

Kia ora

 

Thank you for taking the time to get in touch with Prime Minister Jacinda
Ardern.

 

If you are writing about an issue relating to COVID-19, mental health,
Immigration, housing or benefit assistance, here's a list of links that
you might find helpful:

 

 

For queries around Managed Isolation availability  and/or exemptions:
miq.govt.nz

 

If you are overseas and need assistance please contact your nearest New
Zealand Embassy or Consulate. Contact details are listed in each
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For immigration and visa advice: contact the call centre which is open 
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For urgent housing or benefit enquiries:

∙             Call 0800 559 009 (for under 65)

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If you need treatment or support for your health or wellbeing, the
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Healthline – You can call Healthline for health advice on freephone 0800
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can advise you on the best thing to do in your situation, including which
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1737 – If you need to talk to someone about how you are feeling, you can
call or text 1737 for free at any time to talk to a trained counsellor.

 

Mental health crisis teams – If you are concerned that someone is going to
hurt themselves or someone else, you can call your local mental health
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For Police assistance In an emergency call 111.

For everything else use 105.

You can also make a report online at 105.police.govt.nz 

 

We hope that one of the above links helps answer your question, if not we
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From: Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern

I am writing on behalf of the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, to acknowledge receipt of your Official Information Act request.

Your request will be responded to under the provisions of the Official Information Act 1982.

Yours sincerely

Dinah Okeby
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Tēnā koe,

 

On behalf of Raj Nahna, I attach a letter in response to your OIA request.

 

Ngā mihi,

 

Private Secretary (Executive Support)

Office of the Prime Minister

Authorised by Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern MP, Parliament Buildings, Wellington

 

 

 

 

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Kia ora Chuck,

 

Thank you for your request for official information which was transferred
from the Office of the Prime Minister and received by the Ministry of
Health on 16 December 2021.

You requested:

 

“Prime Minister you are on record as saying the following

"People who are vaccinated will still get Covid-19 it just means that they
won't get sick and they won't die".

Director General of Health you are on record as saying the following

"As I mentioned before in this forum and in a separate briefing on the
16th November as our vaccinations rise somewhat counterintuitively the
proportion of cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise amongst those who
are fully vaccinated".

I can provide video if required.

Pm can you please provide any and all evidence that supports your
assertion that the vaccine will mean you won't get sick.

Director General of Health - can you please provide any and all evidence,
briefings, papers that support your statement that deaths rise amongst
those that are fully vaccinated. Can you also provide any and all evidence
showing that more deaths in the vaccinated is a good thing for New
Zealand?

I was of the impression lockdowns, masks vaccines were all designed to
reduce death rates?

Director General of Health - can you please provide any and all
information that Medsafe or MOH hold and if there was a warning of the
Pfizer mRNA vaccine to the heart. A recent study titled "mRNA Covid
Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS
Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test - a Warning"

The study concludes that the mRNA vaccines dramatically increase
inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscles
which is likely to account for the increased number of adverse cardiac or
vascular events and side effects such as thrombosis, caridomyopathy and
others post vaccination".

The above effectively mirrors the side effects in the Medsafe reporting
and the very large amount of side effects the vaccine is doing to people.

Can you please provide any and all information that Medsafe holds that
refutes this study and states that the vaccine is safe for the heart?

Is a cost benefit analysis available to show that an increase risk in
heart attacks in the whole population versus limited immunity from the
vaccine has benefits that outweighs the risks?”

The Ministry received a secondary request for official information on 19
December 2021 for:

 

“Am I correct in saying

 

Are you telling people to get the vaccine because it works? Please provide
any and all documentation confirming that the Ministry of Health relied on
that confirmed two doses works.

 

If the vaccine worked then why are you telling vaccinated to get a
booster.  Please provide any and all documentation confirming that a
booster will work.  Boosters overseas haven’t seem to worked.  What
documentation can MOH provide that a booster will work?

 

So are you telling the unvaccinated to get a vaccine to protect the
vaccinated because the two shots haven’t worked for them? 

 

How is MOH comparing current cases as to who is getting infected? Did MOH
put anything in place in terms of trial groups before you started a
nationwide drug trial on New Zealanders?”

 

The Ministry of Health has consolidated your requests under reference
number: H202117691.

 

Please be advised that due dates for requests received from 29 November
2021 onwards take into account the following periods:

 

Christmas (25 December 2021)

Summer Holidays (25 December to 15 January)

New Year's Day (1 January 2022)

Day after News Year's Day (2 January 2022)

 

Your request has been logged and you can expect a reply no later than 03
February 2022 as required under the Official Information Act 1982.

 

Due to the COVID-19 global pandemic response, the Ministry is experiencing
significantly higher volumes of queries and requests for information. If
we are unable to respond to your request within this time frame, we will
notify you of an extension of that time frame.

 

If you have any queries related to this request, please do not hesitate to
get in touch.

 

Ngâ mihi

 

OIA Services

Government Services

Office of the Director-General

Ministry of Health

E: [1][email address]

 

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Push it back to Jacinda Ardern. She is responsible for her statements, not MOH.

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From: Chuck Schooner (Account suspended)

Dear OIA Requests,

The PM made the comments so I require a response from the PM. Please respond to my OIA which is a requirement by law.

Yours sincerely,

Chuck Schooner

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From: OIA Requests



Kia ora 

 

Thank you for your email. The Ministry of Health is closed from Thursday
23 December 2021—Monday 10 January 2022. We will respond to your email
when the Ministry reopens. Thank you for your patience. 

 

OIA requests

Please note that under the Official information Act 1982, the days from 25
December 2021 to Saturday 15 January 2022 (inclusive), are not ‘working
days’ for the purposes of the law and therefore do not form part of the 20
working days required to respond.  For more information on this, please
visit the OIA calculator at: [1]ombudsman.parliament.nz/

 

COVID-19 information 

·    for information on the Government’s response to the COVID-19
pandemic, please go to [2]covid19.govt.nz 

·    for information about COVID-19 locations of interest:
[3]health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/contact-tracing-covid-19/covid-19-contact-tracing-locations-interest

·    for information on COVID-19 testing sites:
[4]covid19.govt.nz/testing-and-tracing/covid-19-testing/where-to-get-tested/

·    for information on COVID-19 vaccination (including bookings) go to:
[5]health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines

·    for information on managed isolation, including exemptions from
managed isolation, please go to [6]miq.govt.nz 

 

Emergency services and health information 

·    if you are in an emergency situation, please dial 111 

·    if you require health advice or information, please
call Healthline free 24/7 on 0800 611 116. 

 

Mental health helplines 

If you require [7]mental health assistance please contact one of the
following free national helplines: 

·    1737: free text 24/7. Trained counsellors can offer support for
addiction issues, as well as advice on mental health 

·    the National Depression Helpline: free call 24/7 on 0800 111 757,
text 4202, or online at [8]depression.org.nz 

·    Lifeline: free call 24/7 on 0800 543 354 

·    Samaritans: free call on 0800 726 666. Confidential, non-religious,
and non-judgmental support

 

Ngā mihi 

OIA Services 

 

 

 

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Kia ora

 

Please find attached a letter regarding your request for information.

 

Under section 28(3) of the Act you have the right to ask the Ombudsman to
review any decisions made under this request. The Ombudsman may be
contacted by email at: [1][email address] or by calling 0800
802 602.

 

 

Ngā mihi

 

OIA Services Team

[2]www.health.govt.nz

[3]Ministry of Health information releases

[4]Unite against COVID-19

 

 

 

 

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The question now: If they don't have any "information" to substantiate their safety and efficacy claims, then on what basis where those claims made? Why should those claims be considered accurate, rather than "dangerous misinformation"?

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From: Chuck Schooner (Account suspended)

Dear OIA Requests,

Just a follow up on this - the PM I understand is currently sick so just wanted some clarification on the current situation.

You stated that you will still get Covid-19 it just means they won't get sick and die. Media reports state that you yourself are sick so can you confirm this was previously a lie?
Unless of course you aren't vaccinated which is maybe the reason while you are sick?
If the PM has been struck down can you please provide how effective the vaccine is and how the MOH are measuring the efficacy?

As far as I can tell - real world examples including that of the PM show the vaccine hasn't done anything or our Health Ministry can not or will not try and produce measurable outcomes of mass vaccination.

What is the current situation?

Yours sincerely,

Chuck Schooner

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From: OIA Requests

Thank you for your Official Information Act request. This is
an automatic reply to let you know we received it.

In accordance with the Act, we'll let you know our decision within no more
than 20 working days. If you'd like to calculate the timeframe, you can
use the Ombudsman's online calculator
here: [1]http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/

Due to the COVID-19 global pandemic response, the Ministry is experiencing
significantly higher volumes of queries and requests for information. This
means we may take some time in responding to your request. The Ministry
regularly updates information about the COVID-19 situation and publishes
OIA responses considered to be of public interest:
[2]https://www.health.govt.nz/about-ministr...

Please also refer to the Unite Against Covid-19 website for copies of
papers, minutes, and key advice for the decisions the Government has made
relating to COVID-19.

Sometimes we may need to clarify aspects of a request. You can expect to
hear from us soon if that is the case here.

Ngā mihi,

OIA Services

Government Services

Office of the Director-General

Ministry of Health

E: [3][email address]

 

 

 

 

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Kia ora Chuck,

 

Thank you for your email, received on 16 May 2022, which was a follow up
from your previous requests (H202117961 and H202117851 refer) for:

 

Just a follow up on this - the PM I understand is currently sick so just
wanted some clarification on the current situation.

 

You stated that you will still get Covid-19 it just means they won't get
sick and die.  Media reports state that you yourself are sick so can you
confirm this was previously a lie?

Unless of course you aren't vaccinated which is maybe the reason while you
are sick?

If the PM has been struck down can you please provide how effective the
vaccine is and how the MOH are measuring the efficacy?

 

As far as I can tell - real world examples including that of the PM show
the vaccine hasn't done anything or our Health Ministry can not or will
not try and produce measurable outcomes of mass vaccination.

 

What is the current situation?

 

While the Act allows New Zealanders to ask for information from Ministers
and government agencies, there is no requirement for agencies to create
new information, compile information they do not hold or provide or prove
an opinion. Your questions and the statements that support them appear
designed to engage in a debate about the Government’s COVID-19 vaccination
programme, rather than a request for official information. The Act does
not support requests where an opinion, comment, argument, or hypothetical
statement is put to the Ministry for response, couched as a request for
information. These questions are therefore refused under section 18(g) of
the Act on the grounds that the information sought is not held by the
Ministry. 

 

You may wish to contact the the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet
for information regarding the prime
minister: [1]https://dpmc.govt.nz/contact-us.

 

Under section 28(3) of the Act you have the right to ask the Ombudsman to
review any decisions made under this request. The Ombudsman may be
contacted by email at: [2][email address] or by calling 0800
802 602.   

 

Ngā mihi,

 

OIA Services

Government Services

Office of the Director-General

Ministry of Health

E: [email address]

 

 

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