Police Officers Name from Officer ID

J Kettlety made this Official Information request to New Zealand Police

The request was successful.

From: J Kettlety

Dear New Zealand Police,

I am writing to you under the Official Information Act 1982 as a permanent resident of New Zealand to request the first name and surname of officer number: NWJ012 based in the Hamilton Highway Patrol Unit.

I would appreciate a timely response with this request.

Yours faithfully,
Mr J Kettlety

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New Zealand Police

Dear Mr Kettlety

Thank you for your email, which has been forwarded to the correct
department for follow-up.

Kind regards,

PUBLIC AFFAIRS TEAM
NZ POLICE

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To: OIA requests at New Zealand Police <[New Zealand Police request email]>
From: J Kettlety <[OIA #1733 email]>
Date: 09/06/2014 03:20PM
Subject: Official Information Act request - Police Officers Name from
Officer ID

Dear New Zealand Police,

I am writing to you under the Official Information Act 1982 as a
permanent resident of New Zealand to request the first name and surname
of officer number: NWJ012 based in the Hamilton Highway Patrol Unit.

I would appreciate a timely response with this request.

Yours faithfully,
Mr J Kettlety

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From: WATERS, Gregory (Greg)
New Zealand Police


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Mr J KETTLETY

 

Please complete the attached OIA .pdf file in relation to your request.

 

Once completed, you need to file the form with proof of ID: at your local
police station.

 

Once received, police will consider your request in accordance with the
Act.

 

I note that the website doesn't appear to be supportive of this process
albeit it is known to you.

 

Regards

 

Greg

 

[1]cid:image001.gif@01CDCE1E.6FF46200 Sergeant Greg WATERS
Supervisor | File Management Centre | New Zealand Police

[*] Acting District Case Manager for OIA / Privacy Act Requests
P   +64 7 858 6270 (DDI) Ext: 79570  |  E   [2][email address]
Waikato District Headquarters, 6 ~ 12 Bridge Street, Private Bag 3078, Hamilton 3204, DX: GX10050
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Joshua Grainger left an annotation ()

Note that there is no requirement to either:

a) provide proof of identity to file an Official Information Act request. A request can be filed under a false name providing that you can show you're either a NZ citizen or resident in New Zealand. There is no need for you to disclose your first name.

b) file an OIA request on a particular form.

It may be worth pointing this out to the Police in a reply.

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From: J Kettlety

Dear WATERS, Gregory (Greg),

As stated by another member of this website, under the OIA there it is not compulsory to fill in a specific form.
A formal request has already been made with the information requested.

I would appreciate your assistance in providing this information as per my original request.

Yours sincerely,

J Kettlety

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From: WATERS, Gregory (Greg)
New Zealand Police

I will be on leave until Monday 16/06/2014.

 

For FMC related matters you may elect to contact:

 

Senior Sergeant Ray MALCOMSON

[email address]

District Case Coordinator

Waikato

 

or

 

[email address]

 

 

Regards

 

Greg WATERS

Sergeant

 

[1] Supervisor / File Management Centre &

Records Information Management

Waikato (Hamilton)

 

[2] Acting District Case Coordinator for

OIA / Privacy Act & Ministerial Requests

Waikato

 

 

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From: J Kettlety

Dear WATERS, Gregory (Greg),

Further to this request, are you please able to include the length of service the aforementioned officer has had with the Hamilton Highway Patrol Unit please.

Yours sincerely,

J Kettlety

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New Zealand Police


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Dear Mr KETTLETY

 

I can confirm the following:

 

·         Police are entitled by Law (statute) to complete due diligence
in relation to OIA / Privacy requests and,

 

·         I will not be responding nor considering your request further;
unless I receive appropriate and trusted verification of your identity.

 

·         Once the information is received I will consider the information
that you seek.

 

At this stage you ask for:

 

·         The full identity of an officer's ID number: and,

 

·         Information relating to that officer's length of service (with
the Hamilton Highway Patrol unit).

 

 

I will not continue any further correspondences with you via this website.

 

Regards

 

Greg

 

 

[1]cid:image001.gif@01CDCE1E.6FF46200 Sergeant Greg WATERS
Supervisor | File Management Centre | New Zealand Police

[*] Acting District Case Manager for OIA / Privacy Act Requests
P   +64 7 858 6270 (DDI) Ext: 79570  |  E   [2][email address]
Waikato District Headquarters, 6 ~ 12 Bridge Street, Private Bag 3078, Hamilton 3204, DX: GX10050
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Gavin Millar left an annotation ()

The response made here is pretty disgustingly dismissive and high-handed and once again not valid under OIA legislation.

It has been clearly established that all public communication channels are valid for sending OIA requests, including (but not limited to) official Twitter and Facebook accounts. FYI.org.nz clearly qualifies (especially as the receiving organization simply gets emailed).

See my followup request here;
https://fyi.org.nz/request/1748-policy-a...

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Alex Harris left an annotation ()

I agree that this is a terrible and dismissive response. That said, the Ombudsman has been clear that agencies are entitled to check the validity of the request. This, however, is over the top.

Any person in NZ can make a request. All you need to do is provide an NZ postal address. For privacy reasons, I recommend making this by email; police address format is firstname.lastname@police.govt.nz, so the the officer's email address is "gregory.waters@police.govt.nz". Leave an annotation here that an address has been provided offchannel and you're set.

If they still insist on a physical form, or photoID, or requests in person, then they are clearly inviolation of the law.

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Gavin Millar left an annotation ()

See:
http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/0...

It seems as though NZ Police (or Greg Water in particular?) have something they want to try and hide here. A complaint to IPCA about the conduct of the the responder here has met with a blank look as apparently answering OIA requests is not considered a duty worth investigating.

And of course, we all know the Office of the Ombudsmen is completely useless unless you want to wait 18+ months for an initial investigation.

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New Zealand Police


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2014                                                                                                                                                     

 

Mr J Kettlety,

 

[1][OIA #1733 email]

 

Dear Mr Kettlety

 

Further to my initial response to your request for information under the
Official Information Act 1982, when I sought further evidence of your
assertion that you are a permanent resident of New Zealand, Police are now
satisfied as to your eligibility to make this request pursuant to section
12 of the Act. 

 

Your request dated 9 June 2014 was for “the first name and surname of
officer number: NWJ012 based in the Hamilton Highway Patrol Unit”.   On 10
June, you also requested “the length of service the aforementioned officer
has had with the Hamilton Highway Patrol Unit”.

 

Police are willing to disclose to you the information requested, by
furnishing the information:

 

·         orally, or

·         in writing to a private physical or email address 

 

I ask that you provide to me the following information, at your earliest
opportunity:

 

·         your contact phone numbers and or,

·         your private email address and or,

·         your physical address

 

The reason is that the information requested is personal information and
the FYI website used by you to make this request states that Police’s
reply will be published. Police considers that any public interest in
providing you with the name and length of service of the officer, weighed
against the officer’s privacy, is met by private disclosure to you.

 

For your information on Police’s position regarding checking for
eligibility, section 12 of the Official Information Act sets out who is
eligible to make a request under the Act.  An agency subject to the Act is
entitled to check whether a person is eligible, especially where the
request involves sensitive information, or personal information about a
third person, or will cause a large drain on resources; in order to ensure
that the Act applies including the ‘good faith’ protection from civil or
criminal proceedings (section 48).   

 

Police may ask a requester who has asserted their eligibility to provide
supporting information, such as a New Zealand postal address, personal
email address indicating a NZ domain, NZ phone number on which they can be
contacted, or any identity documentation. Further information can be
provided to Police by post, email or phone. 

 

Police’s position is based on the following guidance provided by the
Ombudsman:

 

With requests submitted by post, the origin of the request will usually be
clear from the post mark, and the requester will normally provide a return
address, which should together provide sufficient assurance that the
requester is in New Zealand, and therefore eligible.

 

With requests submitted by email, twitter or Facebook, it may not be
apparent that the requester satisfies the eligibility requirements under
the OIA.

 

Agencies are entitled to make reasonable enquiries to satisfy themselves
that a requester is eligible to make an OIA request. Often provision of a
New Zealand postal address will suffice. This information can be conveyed,
if requested, via personal message. The working day count won’t start
until it is clear that the request is made by a person who is eligible to
do so.

 

Agencies must be mindful of their obligation to provide reasonable
assistance to a person who wants to make an official information request,
but hasn’t made one in compliance with the legislation.

 

[http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/syste...

 

You stated you are a permanent resident of New Zealand.  I was not
satisfied of your eligibility and sought further details by suggesting
that completion of the standard Police request form would provide
sufficient evidence of your eligibility. 

 

Police acknowledges that the form provides for more detail than may be
necessary for a request via email and you would not have to complete it in
full to provide assurance of eligibility. 

 

Since your response declining to complete the form, Police has been able
to confirm your eligibility from its own records.

 

If you are not satisfied with my response to your request, you have the
right to complain to the Office of the Ombudsmen and seek an investigation
and review of my decision.

 

 

Yours faithfully

 

 

 

[2]cid:image001.gif@01CDCE1E.6FF46200 Sergeant Greg WATERS
Supervisor | File Management Centre | New Zealand Police

[*] Acting District Case Manager for OIA / Privacy Act Requests
P   +64 7 858 6270 (DDI) Ext: 79570  |  E   [3][email address]
Waikato District Headquarters, 6 ~ 12 Bridge Street, Private Bag 3078, Hamilton 3204, DX: GX10050
[4]www.police.govt.nz

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[6]Facebook           [8]Twitter

 

 

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WARNING

The information contained in this email message is intended for the
addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be
subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which
creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you
are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this
message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this
message or any of its contents.

Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect
those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in
error, please email or telephone the sender immediately

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J Kettlety left an annotation ()

Infomation was provided to myself privately. The Police have respectfully asked that I do not post this on a public forum to protect the privacy of the officer. Whilst I do not fully agree with this I will be respecting their wishes. Thanks all for your help

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