Reporting on Adverse Reactions to the COVID-19 vaccine
Geoff Curtis made this Official Information request to Ministry of Health
This request has been withdrawn by the person who made it. There may be an explanation in the correspondence below.
From: Geoff Curtis
Dear Ministry of Health,
Tēnā koutou,
More detailed information is requested on COVID-19 vaccine adverse reactions that are entered and held in CARM.
Background to Request.
Information about adverse reactions to the COVID-19 vaccine is currently included in the weekly updates about COVID-19 vaccine data issued by the Ministry of Health on its website.
These adverse reaction reports are prepared by Medsafe which is the medical regulatory body run by the New Zealand Ministry of Health, hence this request is to the Ministry of Health which is the agency responsible for the COVID-19 vaccine reporting and the content that is included in the reporting.
The COVID-19 weekly safety reports, the data for which is sourced from the CARM (Centre for Adverse Reactions Monitoring) system, currently provide high level summarized information on the numbers and types of adverse reactions to the COVID-19 vaccine with a brief description for each event type such as “1 was a seizure-type event”. The full reports, currently 1 to 7 provide similar high level information about numbers and reaction types and don’t go into any details about things like why serious reactions reported were later determined to be unrelated to the vaccine.
More detailed information on each adverse reaction is requested. This is so there is more awareness of the details surrounding adverse reactions reported and fuller information is available about the COVID-19 vaccine’s potential side effects when deciding whether to provide the formal consent that is required in order to be vaccinated for COVID-19.
This additional information may help understanding of these adverse reactions if more details about each case such as age and any details about things like underlying health conditions or the existence of accompanying serious diseases or illnesses are entered into the CARM records for cases of adverse reactions. This more detailed information may help allay any fears or reduce vaccine hesitancy in getting the COVID-19 vaccine if the details surrounding an adverse reaction are made public rather than just seeing that a stroke, for example, occurred after a vaccination. More information on why a serious reaction reported in CARM was then determined to be unrelated to the vaccine would also help in terms of providing full information prior to a vaccination.
1. Overview of Information Requested
Would you please provide all the details, excluding personal identifier information, recorded in the CARM system of each case included in the summarized reports from the CARM database published in the Medsafe COVID-19 safety reports?
Please provide the details for the COVID-19 adverse reaction cases recorded so far and for the cases entered in the CARM system going forward. Much of the information requested such as age, gender and ethnicity is already made public regarding vaccinations so a request to provide this same information for adverse reactions is in line with existing reporting on COVID-19 events. The additional information requested will provide more granular and important details about each adverse reaction. Currently only high level summarized information is provided in the weekly reports and more details about each individual case is requested. I am not requesting any personal identifier details of patients who are reporting COVID-19 vaccine side effects.
The additional information may also help understanding of why serious adverse events reported and included in these reports are not considered to be related to the vaccination.
2. Information Requested
What I am requesting for each case included in the COVID-19 vaccine safety reports issued by Medsafe to date and ongoing such as at https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/saf... is as follows;
For each case included in each COVID-19 vaccine safety report please report the following;
a) CARM #, the case number or unique id used in the system or some other reference number used in the system for this/each case,
b) Reporter details (member of the public, health professional, other)
c) Event narrative; the description of what happened as entered by the reporter into CARM
d) Reaction Type; for example blood clot, stroke, headache, dizziness,
e) Age; the age or age group of the person the adverse reaction report is about if known,
f) Gender; the gender of the person if known,
g) Ethnicity; the ethnicity of the person if known,
h) Date of vaccination reported in CARM if known,
i) Date adverse event reported in CARM,
j) AEFI Details (Adverse event description); the full description of the adverse event or reaction as entered in CARM by the reporter of the event,
k) Outcome; Any patient or reaction outcome recorded in the system,
l) Adverse Reaction Review; such as details as to why the adverse reaction entered into CARM was determined to be unrelated to the vaccination, as stated regarding the stroke and blood clots reported to date.
m) Other Information; Any other information pertaining to the adverse reaction entered and held in CARM not covered by the above list.
3. Please provide this information in a machine-readable spreadsheet format such as CSV or XLSX.
4. Please provide this information for the cases reported to date in the safety reports already published as at 21 May 2021, numbered 1 to 7 and any more issued at the time this request is processed.
5. Please provide this information each week for all new cases recorded in the system going forward. Please make this ongoing report available to the public via the current COVID-19 safety monitory website at https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/saf...
6. If any part of my request is unclear, please don't hesitate to contact me.
7. Please also explain any relevant caveats that should be kept in mind when analysing this information.
8. If any of the information that I have requested is unavailable or would be difficult to retrieve, but similar information might be readily available, I would be happy to discuss altering or refining my request.
9. I am unable to meet any costs of this request or eventual solution so please do not propose this if the cost is something you cannot account for in the government’s COVID-19 Response budget allocation. If the cost cannot be met by government funding for COVID-19, please explain what can be provided free of charge or how to refine my request in such a way that it will not result in a charge. My objective with this request is to enable full information on adverse reactions and their review to be provided especially prior to vaccine consent t this stage in the vaccine rollout so this request should be or could be defined as traceable to existing government goals and objectives for COVID-19 this year and thus be included in existing funding.
10. As a New Zealand citizen, I am eligible to make requests under the OIA.
Ngā mihi,
Geoff Curtis
From: OIA Requests
Kia ora
Thank you for your request for official information received on 22
May 2021 for:
"1. Overview of Information Requested
Would you please provide all the details, excluding personal identifier
information, recorded in the CARM system of each case included in the
summarized reports from the CARM database published in the Medsafe
COVID-19 safety reports?
Please provide the details for the COVID-19 adverse reaction cases
recorded so far and for the cases entered in the CARM system going
forward. Much of the information requested such as age, gender and
ethnicity is already made public regarding vaccinations so a request to
provide this same information for adverse reactions is in line with
existing reporting on COVID-19 events. The additional information
requested will provide more granular and important details about each
adverse reaction. Currently only high level summarized information is
provided in the weekly reports and more details about each individual case
is requested. I am not requesting any personal identifier details of
patients who are reporting COVID-19 vaccine side effects.
The additional information may also help understanding of why serious
adverse events reported and included in these reports are not considered
to be related to the vaccination.
2. Information Requested
What I am requesting for each case included in the COVID-19 vaccine safety
reports issued by Medsafe to date and ongoing such as
at https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/saf... as follows;
For each case included in each COVID-19 vaccine safety report please
report the following;
a) CARM #, the case number or unique id used in the system or some other
reference number used in the system for this/each case,
b) Reporter details (member of the public, health professional, other)
c) Event narrative; the description of what happened as entered by the
reporter into CARM
d) Reaction Type; for example blood clot, stroke, headache, dizziness,
e) Age; the age or age group of the person the adverse reaction report is
about if known,
f) Gender; the gender of the person if known,
g) Ethnicity; the ethnicity of the person if known,
h) Date of vaccination reported in CARM if known,
i) Date adverse event reported in CARM,
j) AEFI Details (Adverse event description); the full description of the
adverse event or reaction as entered in CARM by the reporter of the event,
k) Outcome; Any patient or reaction outcome recorded in the system,
l) Adverse Reaction Review; such as details as to why the adverse reaction
entered into CARM was determined to be unrelated to the vaccination, as
stated regarding the stroke and blood clots reported to date.
m) Other Information; Any other information pertaining to the adverse
reaction entered and held in CARM not covered by the above list.
3. Please provide this information in a machine-readable spreadsheet
format such as CSV or XLSX.
4. Please provide this information for the cases reported to date in the
safety reports already published as at 21 May 2021, numbered 1 to 7 and
any more issued at the time this request is processed.
5. Please provide this information each week for all new cases recorded in
the system going forward. Please make this ongoing report available to the
public via the current COVID-19 safety monitory website
at [1]https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/saf...
The Ministry's reference number for your request is: H202106286.
As required under the Official Information Act 1982, the Ministry will
endeavour to respond to your request no later than 21 June 2021, being 20
working days after the day your request was received.
If we are unable to respond to your request within this time frame, we
will notify you of an extension of that time frame.
If you have any queries related to this request, please do not hesitate to
get in touch.
Ngâ mihi
OIA Services
Government Services
Office of the Director-General
Ministry of Health
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Virginia Crawford left an annotation ()
Yes, something along the lines of VAERS would certainly be an improvement on what is currently being reported. People really need to be properly informed.
From: Geoff Curtis
Dear OIA Requests,
I have decided to withdraw this request as after further consideration I think putting a lot of raw data online without explanation or interpretation may cause confusion and end up being counter-productive in providing accurate information about the adverse reactions to the covid vaccination.
So I have withdrawn this request accordingly.
Yours sincerely,
Geoff Curtis
Virginia Crawford left an annotation ()
That's a shame, Geoff, as I do think we need this information. If other countries provide it, why can't New Zealand?
Geoff Curtis left an annotation ()
My request was prompted by a concern that not enough details were being provided around the more serious adverse reactions recorded to alleviate fears about the vaccination. Hopefully, if they have read my request this concern will have come through and they might provide more information on these cases in the future as other people have also expressed similar concerns. As I said, I think requesting that basically the entire CARM database be put in the public domain is an overkill solution and would cause confusion and misunderstandings which is why I withdrew my request. I doubt it would have succeeded anyway as there is a statement on the safety overview page as follows;
‘We do not release detailed descriptions as we must protect the privacy of the people concerned’.
I specifically stated in my request that I was not requesting any personal identifier information but personal details may still be included in the other information I requested so I think some other approach would be better if the reporting around the more serious adverse reactions still leaves people feeling uncertain about what happened and what the implications might for them be if they decide to be vaccinated.
Mr. DDT Webster left an annotation ()
What on earth is happening here?
Is this our government refusing to provide data?
Is this our government admitting it does not have this data only unauthenticated data that supports government policy and rhetoric?
This is a democracy we live in and just as we expect our citizens to be honest and provide full details of income and other earnings and pay the correct tax we expect our government to use that revenue to protect us and that includes accurate published and detailed data as requested by its tax paying citizens.
Geoff Curtis left an annotation ()
Mr DDT Webster, I have not heard anything back from the government, and I cannot answer the questions you raise as presumably they were directed at me seeing this is my request or are they simply rhetorical? I withdrew the request due to my own reservations as mentioned above. Also my request was nothing to do with tax collection and expenditure so you appear to have gone off on a tangent here with these questions and comments.
Geoff Curtis left an annotation ()
I note and understand that people following my request are disappointed at me withdrawing it but that was my decision. However, any NZ citizen, can make a request for this or similar information as yes I still consider that the reporting on adverse reactions needs improvement especially detail around the more serious reactions and the conditions and attributes of the people affected so if anyone else feels strongly about it I suggest they make their own request for this or similar information, so in terms of follow up comments can we please consider this request closed.
Mr. DDT Webster left an annotation ()
I was just frustrated by the lack of response to you Geoff as we New Zealanders do need more detailed responses to our requests for information. Surely the data for the responses is already held by government departments or maybe not and that is the cause of the lack of detailed responses to genuine requests like yours.
Gracie Reyman left an annotation ()
oh this info would of been good as I just am start trying to find out more on this bc my dad is a bit worried now as he had a stroke last year and then they put strokes down as coming after the vacine so now I am worried if he gets it so looking pls LMK if there any more on this.
Mr Rodgers left an annotation ()
<sigh>
The chances of getting blood clots after receiving a covid vaccine are extremely rare (between 4-5 per million people).
You are ten times more likely to suffer a blood clot if you catch covid.
And if you catch covid and end up in intensive care, your likelihood of getting a blood clot jump to 30-70%. One in four covid ICU patients will develop a pulmonary embolism.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinica...
https://www.hri.org.nz/health/your-healt...
Mr Rodgers left an annotation ()
Or another statistical comparison. One in a thousand women get blood clots from taking the contraceptive pill. And for those that can't do the maths that is a 1000 per million.
Gracie Reyman left an annotation ()
Oh thanks so much Mr Rogers for the info you’re a star!!!!!!!! will printoff and take round to for dad cos he doesn’t have the internet. I never new that about the pill and my bf keeps saying I should go on it so I will show him this and then hopefully he will stops asking.
Virginia Crawford left an annotation ()
Gracie, if your dad had a stroke last year, then he is at risk if he takes the vaccine. In fact, if my information is correct, his doctor will advise against it.
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Mr. DDT Webster left an annotation ()
Thank you for posting this Geoff as I have very similar questions. I am not seeing the responses in the detail one would expect and that cannot be just gov selecting certain requests and giving vague answers as a cover up! Hence expecting to see full detailed answers here in the response to your request.
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