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From: K Roe

Dear Andrew Little,

I am interested in whether the New Zealand Government... The Ministry of Health... One or more of the District Health Boards of New Zealand... May be involuntarily confining people without appropriate cause / reason in New Zealand.

I understand that there are Public Health reasons for people undertaking up to 2 weeks of quarantine and I don't mean to challenge the legality of that...

But I am thinking more on how we know so much in Psychology / Psychiatry about how certain conditions (typically regarded as torture conditions) affect people mentally or psychologically. Things like the effects of that blue / white flourescent light (particularly with flicker). The effects of lack of sleep (e.g., when people are kept awake on 15 minute or 20 minute observation checks). Things like that...

I wondering if people may be using the Covid pandemic as a... Justification... Or excuse... To identify vulnerable people (maybe people who don't go on and on and on about how they are constantly in contact with people who love them and who would miss them) and... Some people are never being released from detention.

Now... If I ask you 'how many people has the Government transferred from quarantine facilities to in-patient mental health facilities' you will likely say 'I have no knowledge of evidence of that therefore there is no evidence of that therefore that does not occur / does not happen'.

I don't want to go down that track... So (bearing in mind principles of natural justice and forthrightness and so on) I will attempt to put the question this way:

1) How many people who entered into border quarantine... Have been released from that quarantine back to society at the end of the quarantine time?

There will then be some number who haven't / were not. So we wonder of them: What happened?

Some of them will have been required to stay in quarantine longer because they returned a positive test. Subtract them from the number who were not released.

How many now remain?

A ball-park figure will help me with further question.

Yours faithfully,

K Roe

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From: A Little Office (MIN)
Andrew Little

Tçnâ koe

 

 

Thank you for contacting the office of Hon Andrew Little MP, Minister of
Health, Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Minister Responsible
for the NZSIS, Minister Responsible for the GCSB and Minister Responsible
for Pike River Re-entry.

 

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Kia ora

On behalf of Hon Andrew Little, Minister of Health, thank you for your
Official Information request of 14 February 2021 regarding the number of
people entering and exiting border quarantine facilities in New Zealand.
The information requested appears to be more closely associated with the
functions and responsibilities of Ministry of Business, Innovation and
Employment. Accordingly I am transferring your request to Ministry of
Business, Innovation and Employment under section 14(b)(ii) of the
Official Information Act 1982.
You have the right, under section 28 of the Act, to ask the Ombudsman to
review this decision to transfer your request for information.
 
Ngā mihi nui
 
Giles Bollinger
Private Secretary (Health) to Hon Andrew Little MP
DDI +64 4 817 9727 | Mobile +64 21 348 067 |Email
[1][email address]
 
Office of Hon Andrew Little MP, Minister of Health, Minister for Treaty of
Waitangi Negotiations, Minister Responsible for the NZSIS, Minister
Responsible for the GCSB, Minister Responsible for Pike River Re-entry
Reception +64 4 817 8707 | Ministerial Email
[2][Andrew Little request email] | Web [3]beehive.govt.nz | Postal Freepost
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Ref: 2021-1563

 

Dear K Roe,

 

On behalf of the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment I
acknowledge your email of 14 February 2021 requesting under the Official
Information Act 1982 (the Act), the following:

 

“1)  How many people who entered into border quarantine...  Have been
released from that quarantine back to society at the end of the quarantine
time?

 

There will then be some number who haven't / were not.  So we wonder of
them:  What happened?

 

Some of them will have been required to stay in quarantine longer because
they returned a positive test.  Subtract them from the number who were not
released.

 

How many now remain?

 

A ball-park figure will help me with further question.”

 

Your request has been transferred to the Ministry of Business, Innovation
and Employment from Office of Hon Andrew Little on 19 February 2021 and is
being processed in accordance with the Official Information Act 1982. A
response will be sent to you in due course. If you have any enquiries
regarding your request feel free to contact us via email
[1][email address] or using the contact details below.

 

Nâku noa, nâ,

MINISTERIAL SERVICES

Corporate, Governance and Information

Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment

Level 4, 15 Stout Street, PO Box 1473, Wellington 6140

NZBN 9429000106078

 

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From: K Roe

Dear Andrew Little,

My question is about how many people are (potentially being) unlawfully detained in health facilies, in New Zealand, in the name of Covid Response.

It is a question for the Minister of Health and if he will not answer it then shall we all waste tax-payers dollars while I get an injuction for a judge to instruct him to answer the question?

Is that really a good use of tax-payers funds?

Is this what we expect from the Minister of Health in the course of him doing his job? The job for which is is remunerated?

I am concerned that people may be arriving from overseas into quarantine. That people may be kept in conditions in quarantine such that they experience isolation induced psychosis. That people may then be sectioned under the mental health act. That people may then be kept in ongoing isolation induced psychosis conditions. That we may be populating our psychiatric hospitals in this manner when the psychiatrists in New Zealand are some combination of bored and trying to grow their business best they can in Covid times.

I am seeking reassurance (not empty reassurance, actual facts) that this is not the case. That the government is ensuring that this is not the case.

I am wanting to know that the people who entered into quarantine are accounted for. We aren't grinding them up and feeding them to involuntary psychiatric patients or prisoners in the slops.

Kelly Roe.

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From: K Roe

Dear Ministerial Services,

I don't know why the Ministry of Health thinks that it is MBIE's job to answer a question about involuntary detention under the mental health act when this clearly falls under the Ministry of Health.

I never put the question to MBIE and I do not require a response from MBIE.

I apologise that Ministry of Health saw fit to waste your time.

Yours sincerely,

K Roe

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Dear K Roe

 

Please see attached letter notifying you of an extension regarding your
Official Information Act 1982 request transferred to the Ministry of
Business, Innovation & Employment from Hon Andrew Little, Minister of
Health, on 19 February 2021.

 

Kind regards

 

 

Ministerial Services

Engagement, Communications and Ministerial Services

Email: [1][email address]

 

Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment

15 Stout Street, Wellington, PO Box 1473, Wellington 6140

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Good afternoon K Roe

 

Please find attached a response to your Official Information Act 1982
request of 14 February 2021.

 

Kind regards

 

 

Ministerial Services

Engagement, Communications and Ministerial Services

Email: [1][email address]

 

Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment

15 Stout Street, Wellington, PO Box 1473, Wellington 6140

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From: K Roe

Thankyou for providing a thorough response.

> With regard to your request for the number of returnees who have not re-entered the general
population following their stay in an MIQ facility, I can advise that three returnees have passed away
while in an MIQ facility, two returnees passed away in hospital after going there directly from an MIQ
facility, and two returnees have been remanded in custody directly from an MIQ facility.

So 7 who have not been released have been accounted for. I am wondering about the others.

More in particular I am wondering how many have been kept by a 'health officer' perhaps to help populate in patient psychiatric facilities?

Yours sincerely,

K Roe

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From: Ministerial Services

Ref: 2021-1922

 

Dear K Roe,

 

On behalf of the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment I
acknowledge your email of 29^th March 2021 requesting under the Official
Information Act 1982 (the Act), the following:

 

> With regard to your request for the number of returnees who have not >
re-entered the general population following their stay in an MIQ facility,
I can advise that three returnees have passed away while in an MIQ
facility, two returnees passed away in hospital after going there directly
from an MIQ facility, and two returnees have been remanded in custody
directly from an MIQ facility. So 7 who have not been released have been
accounted for. I am wondering about the others. More in particular I am
wondering how many have been kept by a 'health officer' perhaps to help
populate in patient psychiatric facilities?

 

Your request is being processed in accordance with the Act and a response
will be sent to you in due course.

 

If you have any enquiries regarding your request, or its urgency, feel
free to contact us via email at [1][email address].

 

Nāku noa, nā

MINISTERIAL SERVICES

               

Corporate, Governance and Information

Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment

Level 4, 15 Stout Street, PO Box 1473, Wellington 6140

NZBN 9429000106078

 

 

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21 April 2021

 

Ref: DOIA 2021-1922

 

K Roe

[1][FOI #14677 email]

 

Dear K Roe

 

Thank you for your follow-up email of 29 March 2021 to the Ministry of
Business, Innovation and Employment requesting, under the Official
Information Act 1982, the following information:

 

So 7 who have not been released have been accounted for. I am wondering
about the others.

More in particular I am wondering how many have been kept by a 'health
officer' perhaps to help

populate in patient psychiatric facilities?

 

No returnees have been committed from Managed Isolation and Quarantine
directly to psychiatric facilities against their will or for the purposes
of populating psychiatric facilities.

 

You have the right to seek an investigation and review by the Ombudsman of
our response to your request. Information about how to make a complaint is
available at: [2]www.ombudsman.parliament.nz  or freephone: 0800 802 602.

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

Ministerial Services

Managed Isolation & Quarantine

 

Engagement, Communications and Ministerial Services

Email: [3][email address]

 

Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment

15 Stout Street, Wellington, PO Box 1473, Wellington 6140

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From: K Roe

Dear *OIA,

How many do you believe voluntarily chose to go from quarantine to hospital and / or some other form of government care (where a government employee is paid to house / feed the returnee)?

Yours sincerely,

K Roe

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From: Ministerial Services

Ref: 2021-2152

 

Dear K Roe,

 

On behalf of the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment I
acknowledge your email of 27/04/2021 requesting under the Official
Information Act 1982 (the Act), the following:

 

“How many do you believe voluntarily chose to go from quarantine to
hospital and / or some other form of government care (where a government
employee is paid to house / feed the returnee)?”

 

Your request is being processed in accordance with the Act and a response
will be sent to you in due course.

 

If you have any enquiries regarding your request, or its urgency, feel
free to contact us via email at [1][email address].

 

Nâku noa, nâ

MINISTERIAL SERVICES

            

Corporate, Governance and Information

Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment

Level 4, 15 Stout Street, PO Box 1473, Wellington 6140

NZBN 9429000106078

 

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Anony Mouse left an annotation ()

This is an outright lie. I was detained under the mental health act, from going crazy in the managed isolation environment. I was put in a seclusion room at the hospital for several days and treated very poorly.

Please continue to pursue this. The truth must come out.

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K Roe left an annotation ()

I am sorry to hear that Anony Mouse.

Have you tried complaining to the Health and Disability Commissioner? I believe that complaining to them might possibly lead to the outcome that they say they are sorry (but it also might not).

With respect to compensation...

With respect to how much money precisely the government chose to give to certain individuals such that they were empowered to do that to you...

I am waiting on a list of people who have authority to arrange for prosecution (that is to say for possible imprisonment of people who violate the law by doing things like kidnapping or holding hostage or involutarily confining or assaulting or sexually offending or committing wrongful death (in the process of other offences which I believe makes that murder) etc...

It is a sad sad sad day when the highest paid individuals (highest paid by the New Zealand governmetn) are the very worst of the worst of the worst of the world's offenders.

Kelly Roe.

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