ID Types
Gregory Soar made this Official Information request to Ministry of Social Development
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From: Gregory Soar
Dear Ministry of Social Development,
I appreciate your reply regarding drivers licences and ID.
I wish to know the following information please.
1. What are all of the acceptable forms of identification being asked for by MSD?
2. Are government superannuation recipients, the largest number of welfare recipients we have, being asked to provide identification and if not why not?
3.What happens if a client does not hold a drivers licence?
4. Why are clients not being asked to provide “any” lawful means of identification rather than directly for a drivers licence?
5. The entire contents of the policy requiring drivers licences you mention in your previous reply to me 26 August.
6. Why do case managers seeking this information not know why they are seeking it nor able to explain why? The Act reauire an explanation of why information is being sought.
I note you placed private info into the last OIA. I appreciate you did not post that publicly thank you kindly but have concern you take such an action. These requests are not about me at all.
Yours faithfully,
Gregory Soar
From: OIA_Requests (MSD)
Ministry of Social Development
Tçnâ koe Gregory Soar
Thank you for your email received 26 August 2024, under the Official Information Act 1982. Your request has been forwarded to the appropriate officials at National Office to respond.
Ngâ manaakitanga,
Official Information Team | Ministerial and Executive Services
Ministry of Social Development
Our Purpose:
We help New Zealanders to help themselves to be safe, strong and independent
Ko ta mâtou he whakamana tangata kia tû haumaru, kia tû kaha, kia tû motuhake
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Soar <[FOI #28191 email]>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2024 3:51 PM
To: OIA_Requests (MSD) <[MSD request email]>
Subject: Official Information request - ID Types
Dear Ministry of Social Development,
I appreciate your reply regarding drivers licences and ID.
I wish to know the following information please.
1. What are all of the acceptable forms of identification being asked for by MSD?
2. Are government superannuation recipients, the largest number of welfare recipients we have, being asked to provide identification and if not why not?
3.What happens if a client does not hold a drivers licence?
4. Why are clients not being asked to provide “any” lawful means of identification rather than directly for a drivers licence?
5. The entire contents of the policy requiring drivers licences you mention in your previous reply to me 26 August.
6. Why do case managers seeking this information not know why they are seeking it nor able to explain why? The Act reauire an explanation of why information is being sought.
I note you placed private info into the last OIA. I appreciate you did not post that publicly thank you kindly but have concern you take such an action. These requests are not about me at all.
Yours faithfully,
Gregory Soar
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From: OIA_Requests (MSD)
Ministry of Social Development
Tēnā koe Gregory Soar
Thank you for your email received 26 August 2024, under the Official
Information Act 1982. Your request has been forwarded to the appropriate
officials at National Office to respond.
Ngā manaakitanga,
Official Information Team | Ministerial and Executive Services
Ministry of Social Development
Our Purpose:
We help New Zealanders to help themselves to be safe, strong and
independent
Ko ta mātou he whakamana tangata kia tū haumaru, kia tū kaha, kia tū
motuhake
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Soar <[1][FOI #28191 email]>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2024 3:51 PM
To: OIA_Requests (MSD) <[2][MSD request email]>
Subject: Official Information request - ID Types
Dear Ministry of Social Development,
I appreciate your reply regarding drivers licences and ID.
I wish to know the following information please.
1. What are all of the acceptable forms of identification being asked for
by MSD?
2. Are government superannuation recipients, the largest number of
welfare recipients we have, being asked to provide identification and if
not why not?
3.What happens if a client does not hold a drivers licence?
4. Why are clients not being asked to provide “any” lawful means of
identification rather than directly for a drivers licence?
5. The entire contents of the policy requiring drivers licences you
mention in your previous reply to me 26 August.
6. Why do case managers seeking this information not know why they are
seeking it nor able to explain why? The Act reauire an explanation of why
information is being sought.
I note you placed private info into the last OIA. I appreciate you did
not post that publicly thank you kindly but have concern you take such an
action. These requests are not about me at all.
Yours faithfully,
Gregory Soar
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From: Gregory Soar
Dear OIA_Requests (MSD),
Ngā mihi nui
I took legal advice out of CLAW Whanganui re seeking drivers licence as ID. Any form of lawful ID may be given as chosen by the person required to prove their ID.
This is why I made the request. Some of us are damaged by life. Raped. Sexually abused. Bashed as children. Some of us develop and are diagnosed with severe mental conditions post such horrendous experiences. You may read the recent report into abuse in state care.
To bully people into giving a form of ID they may not have wished to give literally may cause harm to those victims of abuse. Some of our brains are red hot iron branded to not accept abuse. Bullying is a mental abuse with real harms. This is for life in many cases. To not make it clear one needs to prove ID by using any of the lawful means is bad enough but to seek one form only is short sighted for the reasons stated herein.
That you have not learned post your criminal acts of forgery thus fraud that also was mentally abusive to many isn’t good enough. To organise and direct staff to commit crimes punishable by significant jail terms is simply a criminal bullying abuse that harms. Have you studied the suicide rate and causes inNZ? I would say that a duty of care is long absent and nowhere in sight yet?
Talking with respect and honesty is how we progress to betterment. My purpose here is to-ask the gentleman who replied privately to remember the duty of care for the mental health of those MSD serves. It isn’t that we are nasty people. It is that we are being raped a second time by bullying and a lingering lack of duty of care for others. For that to still be perpetrated and perpetuated by one of our own NZ Government organisations is indeed a shocker to the highest degree.
I ask you cease actions that are bullying for all clients. I ask you remember your duty of care when dealing with others. I ask that you learn. I also consider you advised of my needs and to desist in these abuses that bring harm. We don’t allow it in schools or work places for good reason. One of those reasons is that our suicide rate is already a shameful indicator.
Yours sincerely,
Gregory Soar
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Please find attached the Ministry’s response to your Official Information
Act request.
Nā mātou noa, nā
Official Information Team | Ministerial and Executive Services
Ministry of Social Development
Our Purpose:
We help New Zealanders to be safe, strong and independent
Manaaki Tangata, Manaaki Whānau
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Soar <[1][FOI #28191 email]>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2024 3:51 PM
To: OIA_Requests (MSD) <[2][MSD request email]>
Subject: Official Information request - ID Types
Dear Ministry of Social Development,
I appreciate your reply regarding drivers licences and ID.
I wish to know the following information please.
1. What are all of the acceptable forms of identification being asked for
by MSD?
2. Are government superannuation recipients, the largest number of
welfare recipients we have, being asked to provide identification and if
not why not?
3.What happens if a client does not hold a drivers licence?
4. Why are clients not being asked to provide “any” lawful means of
identification rather than directly for a drivers licence?
5. The entire contents of the policy requiring drivers licences you
mention in your previous reply to me 26 August.
6. Why do case managers seeking this information not know why they are
seeking it nor able to explain why? The Act reauire an explanation of why
information is being sought.
I note you placed private info into the last OIA. I appreciate you did
not post that publicly thank you kindly but have concern you take such an
action. These requests are not about me at all.
Yours faithfully,
Gregory Soar
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This is an Official Information request made via the FYI website.
Please use this email address for all replies to this request:
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