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Date:
9 November 2022
Meeting type:
In-person hui
MfE/MPI staff:
Ind facilitator- Troy Para
MPI- Julie Collins, Kate Simpson, Warren Gray, Oli Powell, Margie Wheeler
MfE- Angela Christensen
Number of attendees:
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Date:
9 November 2022
Demographic of attendees (if Iwi/Māori
possible, e.g. farmer, NGO,
Māori, general public):
Prompt
Stakeholder feedback
Emissions reporting
Who did attendees think should be
responsible for
reporting and paying
for
emissions?
What feedback did attendees have on
the
thresholds set for farms to report
emissions?
What did attendees believe would need
to be in place to
include collectives in
the pricing scheme?
Did attendees believe farms will have
Start date should be 1 July , not 1 January to align with farm year.
the
necessary data for reporting by
2025?
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What feedback did attendees have on
registration requirements?
Did attendees raise any concerns
about
reporting and payment timing?
Did attendees believe there are any
opportunities to improve the proposed
approach to
reporting emissions?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
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Pricing, revenue and incentive payments
Northland grass means cows need to be on land longer, so we wil need to look at
What
concerns did attendees have
dif erent fodders to feed them. This means we wil have higher emissions per kilo
around the proposed approach to
as stock is on land for longer. That’s where calculator doesn’t work as it doesn’t
setting levy prices?
recognise regional dif erences. Carbon in Northland in ETS is better as quicker
growing but it’s dif erent for stock. Not everyone has a mix of forest and stock.
Did attendees offer any
improvements
to the proposed approach to
setting
I think the farm levy is appropriate, not at the processor level if you want to change
levy prices?
behaviour. It has to impact close to the source.
Mechanism of pricing and Minister having control is not on. ETS is market driven
largely (minus government topping up/buying carbon on market) but that is
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preferred over Minister having all control. At farm level we want less bureaucracy
involved. Could manage levy at corporate level by moving around animals in a
collective- but in the big picture that doesn’t work. Once you plant trees, you
change the game and lose options for future generations as it is a long game.
Don’t rely on sequestration, need other solutions. Māori didn’t cause this problem.
What feedback did attendees have on
the proposed
revenue recycling
strategy?
What did attendees think about an
advisory board for revenue
recycling?
What
transitional support did
attendees say was needed?
What approaches did attendees support There is uncertainty around solutions at the moment but they are too far away. I
for
incentivising mitigation practices don’t like the solutions, we should be using natural things to sort out natural
or technologies?
problems. Manipulating is not good.
What
mitigation practices or
technologies did attendees think
should be
supported by an incentive
payment?
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Question:
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[Duplicate this row as needed]
Answer:
Pricing carbon sequestration and nitrogen fertiliser
Planting exotic forest affects groundwater. It has a massive effect on people. The
What feedback did attendees have on
effect of pinus radiata on whenua and also leaching into groundwater is not
the proposed approach to
carbon
sustainable. We need to trim forest to meet objectives in ETS system.
sequestration?
Not enough indigenous forest recognition- 0.5 tonne is not enough. There is no
What
barriers did attendees raise to
good quality data. System needs to be informed with good data. The rates don’t
including new categories of
line up with reality. Most of the land was felled on Māori whenua. Who is going to
sequestration in the NZ ETS?
pay for a forest? And we have to fence and manage. We are told some land is 6.5
tonne sequestration/annually. 0.5 not enough.
Did attendees have any
concerns
about bringing
on-farm vegetation into In Northland, nothing wil fit into the indigenous forest block as they are not fenced.
a farm-pricing system?
Did attendees prefer
pricing nitrogen
at the farm level or at the processer
level? Why?
New/thorny questions asked by
Question:
attendees
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Answer:
Future enhancements
Did attendees prefer a
tradeable
methane quota? What benefits did they
cite?
What concerns did attendees have
about
tradeable methane quotas?
What concerns did attendees share
about an
interim processer-level
levy?
What
alternatives to an interim
processer-level levy did attendees
share?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
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Impacts and support
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How did attendees believe the system
would
impact them?
It would be useful if scenarios and examples were available. Would like the
opportunity to fit existing land blocks into the models to help understand the
What
support did attendees believe wil impacts and effects.
be needed?
What impact did attendees think the
pricing scheme wil have on their
communities?
How can
rural communities be
supported?
Did government ever have a mandate to speak for Māori communities? We are
now at the bottom of clif . How are we supposed to support this proposal? We feel
we should be exempt from this system. There is a whole layer of complication/cost
that wil devalue Treaty settlements. The implementation of this system wil
Did attendees share specific
impacts
affect/add another layer to inflation.
for Māori?
Partnership was not iwi/Māori- it was FOMA. FOMA didn’t have a mandate to
How did attendees think the
Crown
speak on behalf of us. 20% of sheep/beef wil go out of business and most wil be
should
protect relevant
iwi and Māori
Māori due to land use class. Māori freehold is a model for farming sustainably.
interests?
There is not enough research to elevate Māori model. Needs to be socialised at
political level. Where is research model for Māori? This proposal is westernised.
The modelling shows that there wil be a 20-48% reduction for Māori landowners. If
we plant in trees, that is a one-off cost with big profit, but what about the next
generation? Should we be the sacrificial lamb for the government for Māori land?
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Right now Māori are wanting to plant more land in trees because it wil make more
money. Māori should be exempt.
How does NZ play a role on the world stage? Wil changes here make a
dif erence? Agriculture is a very small portion- how does this influence at the global
scale? I can’t operate and provide for my people. We keep getting told what to do
and this is crowding our space.
As Māori organisation we’l continue to manage ourselves to the values we have
as kaitiaki/mana whenua, but as soon as we see shift in value of Treaty
settlements, we want a conversation w/Minister dealing with that. If that doesn’t
happen, we’l see anarchy. What is the balance? Agriculture contributes 25% of NZ
GDP- why would you compromise that coming out of Covid. Do we keep taking
away social services- where Māori have the worst debts? 180 years ago we had
resources and they were pristine, today we have a problem. A whole new
economic system has been imposed on Māori that is completely opposite to our
economic system. Treaty settlements contribute to less than 2% of what we lost.
We’re stil begging for justice and our rights to contribute to this economy and to
pull our people out from state they’re in. We are dependents of our own land.
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
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Implementation, verification, compliance and enforcement
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What feedback did attendees have on
the proposed
governance structure?
What did attendees think should be
included in the post-implementation
review in 2030?
What feedback did attendees have on
the proposed approach to
monitoring
and verification?
Did attendees support a
government-
run or third-party verification system?
Why?
Who did attendees believe should
fund
the
administration of the scheme?
Did attendees have feedback on the
proposed approach to
cost-recovery?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
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Other/General
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No one invited us to have a say in this climate change conversation. The
submissions cost money, we don’t have time/human resource. We have to take
people away from other important jobs to express our view of how this wil impact
us.
We don’t have time to write a submission. We don’t have our farms modelled to
see the impacts. It’s unfair. Can we delay submission? Can we have time to tell the
Minister what we think?
We want a time extension and resourcing to write a submission.
We are looking for more time. Timeframe is one element, but if not resourced, it’s a
waste of time. Modelling-what does it look like product/value/etc- how does this
impact us as Māori at community level? Our animals are most carbon efficient in
Did attendees have
any other
world. How do we dif erentiate ourselves (can we market this as we are carbon
feedback on the proposals?
efficient as animals) then who wil resource it? Farmers kept this country going
during Covid. What’s our future markets as Māori?
Silver Fern Farms market 0 carbon beef and they’re getting premium but they are
not passing it on to producers. Big companies are not helping producers. If
companies paid producers premium prices, then we would be onboard.
We’ve been put into government box instead of government being put in our box
re: legislative timeframe.
Would be better to conduct valuation of all individual collective footprint on carbon
emission in domestic/commercial spaces to understand what we collectively
contribute. Everything contributes i.e. mowing lawn, working in garden. You are
just picking on the bigger user. The Aoteraoa number is inconsequential on a
global scale. Someone came up w/number to solve it but we haven’t been a
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massive contributor. We do have a high per capita rate but if NZ had more people
per capita then emissions would drop.
What we save as NZ wil another country get the benefit of that? Looks like they
wil . We’re doing our best to minimise our contribution to carbon emissions, but
someone overseas wil benefit from that.
What is government going to do to fix these communities? The Ministries need to
sort the timeframes because the mismatch of timing of plans is an issue. Peat is
not in ETS. If we give up forest, what happens to our peat land in future? Where is
the certainty? There are backstops but no certainty. Treaty settlements and peat
getting picked up in future with climate change is an issue.
Soil carbon- if we rewet 8% of NZ peat land = suck up 60% of NZ agriculture. Peat
lands can sequester if looked after but that doesn’t help with agriculture.
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
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