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Agricultural Emissions Pricing Consultation – The Ministry for the Environment and the Ministry for Primary Industries
numberConsultation Event Feedback Template
Instructions:
• One template is to be fil ed in per consultation event and provided to Allen + Clarke following each consultation event for
inclusion in the overall analysis. In the first instance, the primary audience is Al en + Clarke, who wil focus thematic feedback,
but these wil also serve as our primary record/notes for each session.
• Use the prompts provided as suggestions to capture as much information as possible. However, you do not have to answer
every prompt, and can vary from the specific question if this wil better capture the themes and information provided in the
session.
• Capture as many Q&As as possible in the designated row, and duplicate the row for each new question. If you know that the
question has already come up and been answered similarly, or exists in our FAQs, you can make a call on either not capturing
it or referencing the relevant FAQ.
• Please file here, or email to 9(2)(g)(ii)
if you cannot access the link.
Date:
8 November 2022
Meeting type:
Hybrid- some online, some in person in MPI Greymouth office
MfE/MPI staff:
Charlotte Denny (MPI), Jessica Bensemann (MfE), Hamish Slack (MfE), Shannon Bentley (MPI), Darran
Austin (MPI), Hannah McCoy (MPI), Lyn Carmichael (MPI)
Number of attendees:
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Al en + Clarke
Agricultural Emissions Pricing Consultation – The Ministry for the Environment and the Ministry for Primary Industries
Date:
8 November 2022
Demographic of attendees (if Farmers
possible, e.g. farmer, NGO,
Māori, general public):
Prompt
Stakeholder feedback
Emissions reporting
• The reporting period if not aligned with the financial year- can this be
Who did attendees think should be
moved?
responsible for
reporting and paying
for
emissions?
• There were concerns with how foreign products wil measure and report
their emissions- mainly that they wil not be measuring theirs per kilo of
What feedback did attendees have on
product and that our system emphasises total production. How to measure
the
thresholds set for farms to report
our system against something like a feedlot. If you have a farm and put 10%
emissions?
of the land into trees, and get the credit. You are now calculating emissions
What did attendees believe would need
from 90% of the farm, so your intensity wil increase.
to be in place to
include collectives in
• Going to take the least productive area- so productivity and production per
the pricing scheme?
hectare wil increase. If you drop 10% of the farming you have to drop 10%
of stock.
Did attendees believe farms will have
the
necessary data for reporting by
2025?
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What feedback did attendees have on
registration requirements?
Did attendees raise any concerns
about
reporting and payment timing?
Did attendees believe there are any
opportunities to improve the proposed
approach to
reporting emissions?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
Pricing, revenue and incentive payments
What
concerns did attendees have
• Queries about what criteria should be taken into account for setting the
around the proposed approach to
price
setting levy prices?
• Any changes that are made on farm wil take time to actually be accounted
Did attendees offer any
improvements
for.
to the proposed approach to
setting
• It seems like there needs to be a pricing mechanism that works for
levy prices?
livestock- and put across everything.
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What feedback did attendees have on
the proposed
revenue recycling
strategy?
What did attendees think about an
advisory board for revenue
recycling?
• Concerns about whether we have technology and tools to reduce
What
transitional support did
production- or whether we are waiting on these. And are we only relying on
attendees say was needed?
these to reduce emissions?
What approaches did attendees support
• Got to make sure we don’t go into one sector subsidising another- just
for
incentivising mitigation practices
because dairy is more profitable doesn’t mean it should subsidise sheep
or technologies?
and beef
What
mitigation practices or
• Too much of this hinges on implementing mitigation techniques, that are not
technologies did attendees think
yet feasible
should be
supported by an incentive
• Feels like too much government involvement in mitigations- i.e. robbing with
payment?
one hand to pay with another
• Is the incentive payment income taxable?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
Pricing carbon sequestration and nitrogen fertiliser
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What feedback did attendees have on
• How can the average farmer with low input become neutral- how many
the proposed approach to
carbon
trees have to be planted per cow or milk solid, in order to be neutral and get
sequestration?
money back
• West Coast has significant areas of native vegetation- if there is
What
barriers did attendees raise to
sequestration happening why are we not crediting that?
including new categories of
• Confusion about how sequestration is actually reducing methane
sequestration in the NZ ETS?
• What if you have already improved the quality of pasture- is it worthwhile
Did attendees have any
concerns
building a system to address this?
about bringing
on-farm vegetation into
• Concerns about double dipping (ETS)
a farm-pricing system?
Did attendees prefer
pricing nitrogen
at the farm level or at the processer
level? Why?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
Future enhancements
Did attendees prefer a
tradeable
methane quota? What benefits did they
cite?
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What concerns did attendees have
about
tradeable methane quotas?
• Farm level gives more incentives to make changes
What concerns did attendees share
• What can we put in place to avoid the transition being necessary?
about an
interim processer-level
• The interim proposal makes it seem like officials and government don’t have
levy?
much faith in the system.
What
alternatives to an interim
• What is the main concern about the time period? From now to 2025 seems
processer-level levy did attendees
like a decent chunk of time
share?
• Concerns about how from now to 2025 isn’t a very long time- how will you
get the farmer buy in?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
Impacts and support
How did attendees believe the system
would
impact them?
• It feels like the option is to pin hopes on technological advancements or
What
support did attendees believe wil
reduce stock numbers.
be needed?
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What impact did attendees think the
pricing scheme wil have on their
communities?
How can
rural communities be
supported?
Did attendees share specific
impacts
for Māori?
How did attendees think the
Crown
should
protect relevant
iwi and Māori
interests?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
Implementation, verification, compliance and enforcement
What feedback did attendees have on
the proposed
governance structure?
• Concerns with the Minister/s setting the price without the appropriate
scientific and technical advice.
What did attendees think should be
• Concerns that the science is only being looked at from one end- concerns
included in the post-implementation
that the full carbon cycle is not being taken into account.
review in 2030?
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What feedback did attendees have on
the proposed approach to
monitoring
and verification?
Did attendees support a
government-
run or third-party verification system?
Why?
Who did attendees believe should
fund
the
administration of the scheme?
Did attendees have feedback on the
proposed approach to
cost-recovery?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
Other/General
• Concerns about the timeframes and jumping the gun. Is there an option to
Did attendees have
any other
extend the start date? Given the levels of uncertainty- how can farmers
feedback on the proposals?
have any faith in this system? everything is getting overstepped, and the
standards and expectations are going higher than what the policy wants to
achieve
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• Concerns with the Minister not listening to officials- and not taking into
account the advice they receive
• Concerns wil actions not marching words, and officials not knowing how the
policy would work in practice
• With the modelling, where the reductions actually achievable on farm?
International context:
• Why are companies not already doing this, if there is a market risk and
value?
• Concerns about whether this would also be a requirement for products
imported into NZ?
• How do we reduce our emissions while stil meeting the world demand for
food?
• Concerns about the impacts on drystock
• Interest in what the drystock sector are thinking- considering they were part
of HWEN. Must have come to an agreement as part of the process. So what
has changed? Why are they unhappy now?
• Farmers see the Partnership is not happy- so assume something must be
wrong
• Has the Minister done due diligence on the costs to the rest of the
economy?
• Has IRD been involved in this?
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Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
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