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Consultation Event Feedback Template
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Date:
8th November, 2022
Meeting type:
Māori Hapori Hui
MfE/MPI staff:
MfE: Hemi Smiler, Hannah Steans, Jessica Bensemann, Cephas Samwini
MPI: Alistair Beveridge, Mele Tabukovu, Claudia Gonnelli
Troy Para
Number of attendees:
23 @ peak
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Al en + Clarke
Agricultural Emissions Pricing Consultation – The Ministry for the Environment and the Ministry for Primary Industries
Date:
8th November, 2022
Demographic of attendees (if Māori
possible, e.g. farmer, NGO,
Māori, general public):
Prompt
Stakeholder feedback
Emissions reporting
Who did attendees think should be
responsible for
reporting and paying
for
emissions?
What feedback did attendees have on
the
thresholds set for farms to report
emissions?
What did attendees believe would need
to be in place to
include collectives in
the pricing scheme?
Did attendees believe farms will have
the
necessary data for reporting by
2025?
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What feedback did attendees have on
registration requirements?
Did attendees raise any concerns
about
reporting and payment timing?
Did attendees believe there are any
opportunities to improve the proposed
approach to
reporting emissions?
Question:
With respect - governments response to collectives is a perversion of the
partnerships Kaupapa - in fact it is patronising and insulting to Maori, you are
New/thorny questions asked by
allowing Collectives to reduce the governments administration costs under the
attendees
guise of support for Maori
[Duplicate this row as needed]
Answer:
Pricing, revenue and incentive payments
9(2)(a)
What
concerns did attendees have
- koutou katoa - yes I realise the benchmark is gone that means the
around the proposed approach to
reductions wil be anonymous and blind to the inequitable impact that wil be borne
setting levy prices?
by leased whenua Maori - that whenua wil be reduced by 100% to the benefit of
the lessee - that cannot happen, the government cannot allow that to happen
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Did attendees offer any
improvements
to the proposed approach to
setting
levy prices?
What feedback did attendees have on
the proposed
revenue recycling
strategy?
What did attendees think about an
advisory board for revenue
recycling?
What
transitional support did
attendees say was needed?
What approaches did attendees support
for
incentivising mitigation practices
or technologies?
What
mitigation practices or
technologies did attendees think
should be
supported by an incentive
payment?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
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Pricing carbon sequestration and nitrogen fertiliser
If the recognition of sequestration on whenua Māori is important, the removal of
What feedback did attendees have on
riparian planting and regenerating native bush from the HWEN proposal creates
the proposed approach to
carbon
inequity for Māori landowners. Why can’t this be recognised? (Notetaker: this point
sequestration?
was clarified later on in the presentation)
What
barriers did attendees raise to
what is the additionality carbon rate for all native biodiversity? and Why
including new categories of
sequestration in the NZ ETS?
Sequestration does not impact equity - please consider the correct settings of
additionality for all woody vegetation - this wil be equitable because the carbon wil
Did attendees have any
concerns
be low to the owner - then allow collectives wider than Maori so spare carbon can
about bringing
on-farm vegetation into shift to the highest and best use
a farm-pricing system?
Did attendees prefer
pricing nitrogen
at the farm level or at the processer
level? Why?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
Future enhancements
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Did attendees prefer a
tradeable
methane quota? What benefits did they
cite?
What concerns did attendees have
about
tradeable methane quotas?
What concerns did attendees share
about an
interim processer-level
levy?
What
alternatives to an interim
processer-level levy did attendees
share?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
Impacts and support
How did attendees believe the system
what percentage is the larger impact for Sheep and Beef? 20% maybe
would
impact them?
there is about 1.4mil ha of maori land and 572k ha of trees. Should we not be
What
support did attendees believe wil exempt from all of this already?
be needed?
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There is nothing in the proposal that is going to mitigate the impact on remote rural
areas, majority populated by Māori. Is Māori communities as collateral damage
part of government policy at what support mechanisms are being put in place?
How do you propose that leased Maori land is given a 2017 benchmark for
emissions and reductions if an industry target is used? Leased Maori land is over
What impact did attendees think the
50,000ha. Te Tumu Paeroa administer around 42,000ha they wil lose 100% - this
pricing scheme wil have on their
is not active protection?
communities?
Has any work been done to understand what happens to the price of kai at the
How can
rural communities be
supermarket after all these Climate change proposals are implemented. Agriculture
supported?
is a price taker sector so these costs impact landowners until there are so few
producing red meats.
What socioeconomic modelling has been done for Māori landowners and our
hapu?
Did attendees share specific
impacts
for Māori?
I suggest that "the reductions response" actually means how many sheep and beef
hil country farms become unviable because around them are forests, many
How did attendees think the
Crown
overseas owned, so services are limited to non-existent.
should
protect relevant
iwi and Māori
interests?
New/thorny questions asked by
Question:
attendees
what happens if the government eg DOC not looking after their ngahere which is
[Duplicate this row as needed]
impacting on ours
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Why has product intensity not been a focus of NZ's response to it obligation? I
have undertaken an analysis that shows that NZ milk emissions deliver a more
than 63% benefit to global emissions. I'll provide the analysis link if anyone wants
to see it.
Answer:
Implementation, verification, compliance and enforcement
What feedback did attendees have on
the proposed
governance structure?
What did attendees think should be
included in the post-implementation
review in 2030?
What feedback did attendees have on
the proposed approach to
monitoring
and verification?
Did attendees support a
government-
run or third-party verification system?
Why?
Who did attendees believe should
fund
the
administration of the scheme?
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Did attendees have feedback on the
proposed approach to
cost-recovery?
Question:
New/thorny questions asked by
attendees
Answer:
[Duplicate this row as needed]
Other/General
Did attendees have
any other
feedback on the proposals?
Question:
what happens post 2050? We as Māori landowners own our whenua forever
amen
New/thorny questions asked by
what korero have come from your treaty partner? As in PTSGE iwi
attendees
Given Article 2 of the Treaty: 'full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their
Lands', why are we having this discussion in relation to Māori freehold land?
[Duplicate this row as needed]
FOMA - did not reach out to all Māori landowners. Also they do not represent all
Māori.
You can't make up what Te Tiriti adherence looks like. FoMA has no mandate to
speak for Maori landowners!
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What engagement has occurred with Te Tai o Tokerau who have a high level of
carbon sequestration assets per ha, with poor returns from farming. The crown has
usurped these (pre 1990) assets through the ETS where Maori did not subscribe
because they didn’t want any more laws on their land.
Wil the submissions be taken further? Or is this informing the minister only?
There was wide ranging interest in the response to the question on leased Māori
land. The Māori Trustee administers approx. 88,000 ha across approximately 1760
trusts/entities. The mean area is 48ha.
“I can't see how you can start something half baked - the principle of fairness has
to include transparency and clarity”
The Ministry staf need to recommend to the Minister that the definition of Māori
farm needs to include Ngahere - our Ngahere are farms - we farm, manu, rongoa,
taonga, kai this is our farm - we don't need GST, livestock or Nitrogen - this lack of
recognition will trigger a class-action contemporary claim
You have not referenced your sequestration settings - ngahere sequests at least
1.83tC/ha/yr there are 572,000ha of pre-1990 Ngahere that have been providing
carbon since 1990
FOMA aren't a treaty partner like our post settlement entities are so where is
Waikato, ngai tahu, te Rarawa, etc
Comments:
Arohamai but it is not consultation if the question is asked but no one (ie:
cabinet/ministers) waits to hear a full and considered answer
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Al en + Clarke
Agricultural Emissions Pricing Consultation – The Ministry for the Environment and the Ministry for Primary Industries
Frankly the answers offered here show that the Minister has ignored the treaty
A significant improvement wil be the acceptance of GWP* as the methodology for
assessing national and individual liabilty - get this through internationally
Answer:
(From a participant) 2017 is long gone. There is no grand-parenting in the current
proposal. The proposed charge is for all emissions.
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