1
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreement Panel: Meeting 1
Date / time
5 July 2018, 1pm - 4pm
Venue
MBIE, 15 Stout Street, Wellington, Room 2.11
Attendees
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
Vicki Lee
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
Caroline Mareko
Steph Dyhrberg
John Ryall
Anthony Hargood
Dr Isabelle Sin
Kirk Hope
Richard Wagstaff
Secretariat
Paul Stocks (Deputy Chief Executive, Labour, Science and Enterprise)
Ministry of Business,
Ruth Isaac (General Manager, Labour and Immigration Policy)
Innovation and
Sam Thornton (MBIE, Acting Manager, Employment Relations Policy)
Employment
Gayathiri Ganeshan (MBIE, Senior Policy Advisor)
Apologies
None
Item
Discussion sought
Indicative timing
1. Welcome and
Welcome and overview from chair
30 mins
introductions
Introduction from each member of the Panel
MBIE to outline its role as secretariat
2. Work
Confirmation of Terms of Reference
2 hrs
programme
Is the panel clear about its objective?
Does the group need anything clarified with
the Minister?
Key topics and questions
What are the key questions the group wants to
look into?
See attached background info (Document A)
See attached draft work programme
(Document B)
Timelines and milestones
Confirm intended deadline for final report to
Minister (end of Nov 2018).
Will there be a draft report to the Minister, or a
draft report for consultation?
3. Housekeeping
Schedule of future meetings
20 mins
What is the quorum?
Group decision making
Will decision making be by consensus?
Fees and expense claims (see Document C)
Any questions about processes for fees and
expense claims
Agreement about preparation time for this
meeting
Other housekeeping matters
Application of the Official Information Act
Protocols for media requests and external
communications
4. Next meeting
Confirm date/time and agenda for next meeting
5 mins
Scheduled for 18 July, 2-5pm
5. Other matters
Any other matters the group wishes to discuss
Attached documents
Document A.
Background information
Document B.
Draft work programme
Document C.
Fees and expenses information
2
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreement Panel: Meeting 2
Date / time
20 July 2018, 1 – 4 pm
Venue
MBIE, 15 Stout Street, Wellington, Room 3.11
Attendees
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
Vicki Lee
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
Caroline Mareko
Steph Dyhrberg
John Ryall
Anthony Hargood
Dr Isabelle Sin
Kirk Hope
Richard Wagstaff
Secretariat (MBIE)
Paul Stocks (Deputy CE, Labour, Science and Enterprise)
Katherine MacNeill (Policy Director)
Sam Thornton (Acting Manager, Employment Relations Policy)
Gayathiri Ganeshan (Senior Policy Advisor)
Alexandra Jackson (Senior Policy Advisor)
Apologies
None
Item
Discussion sought
Indicative timing
1. Welcome
Welcome and recap. Discuss plan for this meeting.
10 mins
2. Previous
Confirm minutes from previous meeting.
5 mins
meeting
See Document 2A.
3. Current labour
Discuss presentation and identify areas for further
45 mins
market
exploration (if any).
outcomes
See Document 2B.
4. Collective
Discuss presentation and identify areas for further
45 mins
bargaining
exploration (if any).
landscape in NZ See Document 2C.
5. International
Discuss presentation and identify areas for further
1 hour
comparisons
exploration (if any).
See Document 2D
6. Next meeting
Confirm date/time, agenda and action points for next
5 mins
meeting.
Scheduled for 31 July 2018, 1 – 4 pm.
Attached documents
Document 2A: Minutes from 5 July 2018 meeting
Document 2B: Current labour market outcomes for firms and workers
Document 2C: Collective bargaining landscape in New Zealand
Document 2D: International comparisons
3
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreement Panel: Meeting 3
Date / time
31 July 2018, 1 – 4 pm
Venue
Room Te Aro 4, Terrace Conference Centre
Levels 2 – 4, St John House
114 The Terrace
Wellington
Attendees
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ
Vicki Lee
(Chair)
Caroline Mareko
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
John Ryall
Steph Dyhrberg
Dr Isabelle Sin
Anthony Hargood
Richard Wagstaff
Kirk Hope
Secretariat (MBIE)
Ruth Isaac
Beth Goodwin
Gayathiri Ganeshan
Alexandra Jackson
Katherine MacNeill
Rebecca Scoular-Sutton
Apologies
Paul Stocks (MBIE)
Item
Discussion sought
Indicative timing
1. Welcome
Welcome and recap. Discuss plan for this meeting.
10 mins
2. Invoicing and
Confirm preparatory time, attendance and travel
10 mins
expense recording
expenses for first two meetings.
3. Previous meeting
Confirm minutes from previous meeting.
5 mins
See Document 3A.
4. Potential
Discuss range of objectives to choose from, and
1 hour
objectives of FPA
whether other objectives should be included.
system
See Document 3B.
5. Designing a FPA
Discuss presentation and options for each design
1 hour 30 mins
system: questions
question.
to consider
See Document 3C.
6. Next meeting
Confirm date/time, agenda and action points for
5 mins
next meeting.
Scheduled for 16 August 2018, 1 – 4 pm.
Attached documents
Document 3A: Minutes from 20 July 2018 meeting
Document 3B: Potential objectives of an FPA system
Document 3C: Design questions to consider
4
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Meeting 4
Date/time
16 August 2018 (Thursday), 1 – 4 pm
Venue
BusinessNZ
Level 6, JacksonStone House
3 – 11 Hunter St, Wellington
Panel members
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
Vicki Lee
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
Caroline Mareko
Steph Dyhrberg
John Ryall
Anthony Hargood
Dr Isabelle Sin
Kirk Hope
Other attendees
Paul Conway (Productivity Commission, item 2)
Secretariat (MBIE)
Paul Stocks
Ruth Isaac
Siobhan Walburn
Beth Goodwin
Katherine MacNeill
Alexandra Jackson
Apologies
Richard Wagstaff
Item
Discussion sought
Lead
Timing
1. Welcome
Discuss plan for this meeting.
Jim
10 mins
2. Presentation:
Discuss presentation from Paul
Paul Conway
1 hour 45 mins
Productivity and
Conway, Productivity Commission.
wages
See Document 4A.
3. Productivity in
Discuss MBIE presentation on
Alexandra
30 mins
collective
international models which build
bargaining:
productivity into labour market
international
systems.
comparisons
See Document 4B (to be tabled).
4. E tū experience of
Discuss potential implications for FPAs
John
15 mins
MECAs
of E tū experience of MECA
bargaining.
See Document 4C.
5. Administration
Previous meeting: confirm minutes.
Jim
20 mins
See Document 4D.
Finances: Clarify Cabinet
requirements for reimbursement.
This meeting: confirm preparatory
time, attendance and travel
expenses.
Next meeting: confirm date/time,
agenda and action points.
Scheduled for 31 August 2018, 1 –
4 pm.
See Document 4E.
Attached documents
Document 4A: Can the kiwi fly? Achieving productivity lift-off in New Zealand
Document 4B: Productivity in collective bargaining: international comparisons (to be tabled)
Document 4C: E tū experience of MECAs
Document 4D: Minutes from 31 July 2018 meeting
Document 4E: Forward agenda
4E
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Forward agenda
Updated 14 August 2018
Date
Forward agenda
Meeting 5
Diagnosis workstream: Conclude diagnosis workstream.
31 Aug 2018
Items for discussion:
Secretariat paper proposing a set of objectives
Potential models for Fair Pay Agreements
Additional information requested by Panel to be provided by the secretariat:
Film Industry Working Group update (depending on report back date)
Summary of OECD Employment 2017/2018 re collective bargaining systems
Additional information to be presented/provided by Panel members:
Kirk Hope and Richard Wagstaff to provide examples of industries where collective
bargaining is working well (or not well) and why (TBC)
Meeting 6
Design workstream
13 Sep 2018
Items for discussion:
TBC
Additional information to be presented/provided by Panel members:
Stephen Blumenfeld to provide additional information on passing on.
Richard Wagstaff to share any available information about Modern Awards system from
his visit to Australia.
Meeting 7
Design workstream
27 Sep 2018
Items for discussion:
Dispute resolution
Support for participants
Additional information to be presented/provided by Panel members:
Richard Wagstaff and Kirk Hope to provide thoughts on capacity and funding issues for
workers and employers wanting to participate in bargaining (TBC)
Meeting 8
Productivity workstream: Consider complementary policies to lift productivity. Commission
additional work.
11 Oct 2018
Items for discussion:
TBC
Meeting 9
Penultimate meeting. Consider draft report.
25 Oct 2018
Meeting 10
Final meeting. Confirm final report.
6 Nov 2018
Meeting 11
TBC if needed
22 Nov 2018
Meeting 12
TBC if needed
5 Dec 2018
Action points
Responsible
Me
eting
Action
Due date
Update
person
Meeting 3
Secretariat to use the diagram on slide 5
Secretariat
31 Aug 2018
To be provided at
of the presentation on design to represent
meeting 5.
different international models.
Meeting 3
Secretariat to illustrate different
Secretariat
31 Aug 2018
combinations of trigger, coverage and
scope
Meeting 2
Invite Productivity Commission to attend a
Secretariat
16 Aug 2018
Complete
future meeting.
Meeting 2
Consider setting up joint meeting with the
Secretariat
16 Aug 2018
Tax Working Group.
Meeting 2
Secretariat to provide updated information
Secretariat
When
on sectoral trends later in panel’s
available
process.
Meeting 2
John to provide written description of
John
16 Aug 2018
Complete
experience of MECAs.
Meeting 2
Stephen to provide more information on
Stephen
When
extension of CEAs.
available
Meeting 2
Secretariat to find out about assumptions
Secretariat
When
in ASB predictions of FPAs’ economic
available
impact.
Meeting 2
Secretariat to provide information on Film
Secretariat
When
Currently scheduled
Industry Working Group’s
available
for meeting 5.
recommendations once completed.
Meeting 2
Richard to share any available
Richard
When
information about Modern Awards from
available
his organisation’s visit to Australia.
Meeting 2
Secretariat to provide further information
Secretariat
On ongoing
about international comparisons (eg
basis
Singapore, South Africa, Denmark,
Sweden).
Meeting 1
Kirk Hope and Richard Wagstaff to
Kirk and
31 Aug 2018
To be provided at
provide examples of industries where
Richard
meeting 5.
collective bargaining is working well and
why.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to summarise and circulate
Secretariat
31 Aug 2018
To be provided at
the OECD 2018 Employment Outlook
meeting 5.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to summarise and circulate
Secretariat
1 Aug 2018
Complete.
the following reports:
CTU report
NZCTU report by Bill Rosenberg:
described in meeting
Shrinking portions to low and middle‐
2 slides.
income earners: Inequality in Wages
Productivity
& Self‐Employment 1998‐2015.
Commission report
Productivity Commission report:
“Can
described in meeting
the Kiwi Fly? Achieving Productivity
2 slides, and Paul
Lift in New Zealand”.
Conway attending
meeting 4.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide information on the
Secretariat
Meeting 2
Closed.
current landscape of collective bargaining
in New Zealand.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide gender and ethnic
Secretariat
Meeting 2
Closed.
breakdown of minimum wage employees.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide information on
Secretariat
Meeting 2
Closed.
collective bargaining mechanisms are
used in other countries, including
summary of evaluations and the ‘direction
of travel’.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide options or
Secretariat
To be
examples of how to define
provided to the
occupations/industries and present to
Panel for a
working group at future meeting. E.g.
future
immigration definitions, ANZSCO,
meeting.
international examples (e.g. Australia’s
modern awards).
Meeting 1
Richard Wagstaff and Kirk Hope agreed
Kirk and
When
To be provided at
to provide thoughts on ways to deal with
Richard
available
meeting 7 (TBC).
capacity and funding issues for workers
and employers wanting to participate in
bargaining.
5
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Meeting 5
Date/time
31 August 2018 (Friday), 1 – 4 pm
Venue
MBIE
Ground floor, meeting room G.14
15 Stout Street, Wellington
Panel members
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
Vicki Lee
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
Caroline Mareko
Steph Dyhrberg
John Ryall
Tony Hargood
Dr Isabelle Sin
Kirk Hope
Richard Wagstaff
Secretariat (MBIE)
Paul Stocks
Ruth Isaac
Katherine MacNeill
Beth Goodwin
Apologies
Item
Discussion sought
Lead
Timing
1. Welcome and
Discuss plan for this meeting.
Jim
10 mins
admin
Previous meeting: confirm minutes.
See Document 5A.
2. Presentation:
MBIE to present the highlights of
Beth
20 mins
OECD analysis of
OECD Employment Outlook chapters
collective
related to collective bargaining
bargaining
See Documents 5B and 5C
3. Presentation:
Presentations from Kirk and Richard of
Kirk &
50 mins
Collective
where collective bargaining is/isn’t
Richard
bargaining across
working well and why.
industries
4. Discussion:
MBIE will present design options and
Beth and
1 hr 30
Models and
objectives for a Fair Pay Agreements
Katherine
objectives for Fair
system.
Pay Agreements
Group to discuss and refine.
See Documents 5D and 5E.
5. Administration
This meeting: confirm preparatory time,
Jim
10 mins
attendance and travel expenses.
Next meeting: confirm date/time,
agenda and action points.
Scheduled for 13 September 2018, 1 –
4 pm.
See Document 5F.
Attached documents
Document 5A: Minutes from meeting 4, 16 August 2018
Document 5B: Summary of OECD Employment Outlook 2017/2018 re collective bargaining systems
Document 5C: Slidepack of highlights of OECD Employment Outlook 2017/2018
Document 5D: Design options for a Fair Pay Agreements system
Document 5E: Draft Panel report structure, including proposed problem definition and objectives
Document 5F: Forward agenda
Document 5G: Treasury report “Increasing the Minimum Wage”
5F
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Forward agenda
Updated 28 August 2018
Date
Forward agenda
Meeting 6
Design workstream
13 Sep 2018
Items for discussion:
Further detail on design options, including on:
o
Scope (which topics would be covered by a FPA, and how)
o
Coverage (how sectors/occupations could be defined)
Additional information to be presented/provided by Panel members:
Stephen Blumenfeld to provide additional information on passing on.
Richard Wagstaff to share any available information about Modern Awards system from
his visit to Australia.
Meeting 7
Design workstream
27 Sep 2018
Items for discussion:
Dispute resolution
Support for participants
Additional information requested by Panel to be provided by the secretariat:
Film Industry Working Group update (depending on report back date)
Additional information to be presented/provided by Panel members:
Richard Wagstaff and Kirk Hope to provide thoughts on capacity and funding issues for
workers and employers wanting to participate in bargaining (TBC)
Meeting 8
TBC
11 Oct 2018
Meeting 9
TBC
25 Oct 2018
Meeting 10
TBC
6 Nov 2018
Meeting 11
TBC
22 Nov 2018
Meeting 12
TBC
5 Dec 2018
Action points
Responsible
Me
eting
Action
Due date
Update
person
Meeting 4
Secretariat to provide Treasury report on
Secretariat
Meeting 5
Complete.
the impact of minimum wage increase on
employment
Meeting 4
Secretariat to provide data on those just
Secretariat
When
over the minimum wage.
available
Meeting 4
Secretariat to upload Paul Conway’s and
Secretariat
When
Complete.
Alexandra Jackson’s presentations to
available
workspace
Meeting 3
Secretariat to use the diagram on slide 5
Secretariat
Meeting 5
To be provided at
of the presentation on design to represent
meeting 5.
different international models.
Meeting 3
Secretariat to illustrate different
Secretariat
Meeting 5
To be provided at
combinations of trigger, coverage and
meeting 5.
scope
Meeting 2
Invite Productivity Commission to attend a
Secretariat
Meeting 4
Complete.
future meeting.
Meeting 2
Consider setting up joint meeting with the
Secretariat
16 Aug 2018
Tax Working Group.
Meeting 2
Secretariat to provide updated information
Secretariat
When
on sectoral trends later in panel’s
available
process.
Meeting 2
John to provide written description of
John
Meeting 4
Complete.
experience of MECAs.
Meeting 2
Stephen to provide more information on
Stephen
When
extension of CEAs.
available
Meeting 2
Secretariat to find out about assumptions
Secretariat
When
in ASB predictions of FPAs’ economic
available
impact.
Meeting 2
Secretariat to provide information on Film
Secretariat
When
Currently scheduled
Industry Working Group’s
available
for meeting 5.
recommendations once completed.
Meeting 2
Richard to share any available
Richard
When
information about Modern Awards from
available
his organisation’s visit to Australia.
Meeting 2
Secretariat to provide further information
Secretariat
On ongoing
about international comparisons (eg
basis
Singapore, South Africa, Denmark,
Sweden).
Meeting 1
Kirk Hope and Richard Wagstaff to
Kirk and
Meeting 5
To be provided at
provide examples of industries where
Richard
meeting 5.
collective bargaining is working well and
why.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to summarise and circulate
Secretariat
Meeting 5
Complete.
the OECD 2018 Employment Outlook
Meeting 1
Secretariat to summarise and circulate
Secretariat
Meetings 2, 4
Complete.
the following reports:
CTU report
NZCTU report by Bill Rosenberg:
described in meeting
Shrinking portions to low and middle‐
2 slides.
income earners: Inequality in Wages
Productivity
& Self‐Employment 1998‐2015.
Commission report
Productivity Commission report:
“Can
described in meeting
the Kiwi Fly? Achieving Productivity
2 slides, and Paul
Lift in New Zealand”.
Conway attending
meeting 4.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide information on the
Secretariat
Meeting 2
Closed.
current landscape of collective bargaining
in New Zealand.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide gender and ethnic
Secretariat
Meeting 2
Closed.
breakdown of minimum wage employees.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide information on
Secretariat
Meeting 2
Closed.
collective bargaining mechanisms are
used in other countries, including
summary of evaluations and the ‘direction
of travel’.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide options or
Secretariat
When
examples of how to define
available
occupations/industries and present to
working group at future meeting. E.g.
immigration definitions, ANZSCO,
international examples (e.g. Australia’s
modern awards).
Meeting 1
Richard Wagstaff and Kirk Hope agreed
Kirk and
When
To be provided at
to provide thoughts on ways to deal with
Richard
available
meeting 7 (TBC).
capacity and funding issues for workers
and employers wanting to participate in
bargaining.
6
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Meeting 6
Date/time
13 September 2018 (Thursday), 1 – 4 pm
Venue
MBIE
Ground floor, meeting room G.17
15 Stout Street, Wellington
Panel members
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
Vicki Lee
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
John Ryall
Steph Dyhrberg
Dr Isabelle Sin
Tony Hargood
Richard Wagstaff
Kirk Hope
Secretariat (MBIE)
Ruth Isaac
Beth Goodwin
Apologies
Caroline Mareko
Katherine MacNeill
Paul Stocks
Item
Content
Lead
Timing
1. Welcome and
Discuss plan for this meeting.
Jim
10 mins
admin
Previous meeting: confirm minutes.
See Document 6A.
2. Presentation:
Presentations from Kirk and Richard of
Kirk &
45 mins
Collective
where collective bargaining is/isn’t
Richard
bargaining
working well and why.
experiences
across industries
3. Discussion: Two
MBIE will briefly present models for a
Beth
60 hrs
possible models
Fair Pay Agreements system, then
for a Fair Pay
group to discuss.
Agreements
See Document 6B.
system
4. Presentation:
Stephen will outline key trends in
Stephen
45 mins
Trends in
collective bargaining in NZ.
collective
bargaining
5. Admin
This meeting: agree preparation time
Jim
10 mins
Next meeting: 12pm, 27 September
2018
Attached documents
Document 6A: Minutes from meeting 5, 31 August 2018
Document 6B: Two possible models for a FPA system
7
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Meeting 7
Date and time
27 September 2018 (Thursday), 12 – 3 pm
Venue
Room Lambton 3
Terrace Conference Centre
114 The Terrace
Panel members
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
Caroline Mareko
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
John Ryall
Steph Dyhrberg
Dr Isabelle Sin
Tony Hargood
Richard Wagstaff
Kirk Hope
Secretariat (MBIE)
Paul Stocks
Katherine MacNeill
Ruth Isaac
Beth Goodwin
Other attendees
Stuart King (MBIE, item 2)
Apologies
Vicki Lee
Item
Content
Lead
Timing
1. Welcome, lunch
Discuss plan for this meeting and
Jim
20 mins
and admin
confirm minutes from previous meeting.
See Document 7A.
2. What we know:
Discuss data summaries.
Beth
60 mins
data summaries
See Documents 7B and 7C.
3. Group discussion:
Split into smaller groups and discuss
Katherine
90 mins
thinking ahead to
vision for panel report.
panel report
Agree plan for remaining four
meetings.
See Document 7D.
4. Wrap up
This meeting: agree preparation time
Jim
10 mins
Next meeting: 1 – 4 pm, 11 Oct 2018
Attached documents
Document 7A: Minutes from meeting 6 - 13 September 2018
Document 7B: Introduction to occupation and industry data summaries
Document 7C: Occupation and industry data summaries
Document 7D: Draft Working Group report in bullet form
A light lunch will be provided at the start of the meeting (12 pm).
7F
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Forward agenda
Updated 8 October 2018
Date
Forward agenda
Meeting 9
Flesh out views on Options A and B, and address remaining action items
25 Oct 2018
Items for discussion:
Vicki’s presentation about the hospitality industry.
A consolidated model of Option A+B.
Discuss written descriptions of Option A and B.
Where the group has differences of opinion, describe those and the reasons.
Ensure pros and cons of each option are reflected.
Consider Context section.
Ensure all outstanding actions are completed or discharged.
Information presented by MBIE
Presentation on options for remaining building blocks.
Drafted sections of Report describing Option A and B.
Drafted Context section.
Update on actions register.
Meeting 10
Focus on recommendations
6 Nov 2018
Items for discussion:
Consider the draft report.
Discuss what your recommendations will be.
Information presented by MBIE
Draft of entire report, including edited sections of Report describing Option A and B
reflecting conversation from Meeting 9.
Meeting 11
Finalise report and discuss communications.
22 Nov 2018
Items for discussion:
Any final changes to the report.
Communications plan: discuss whether you will issue a press release, and how you will
respond to media queries.
Information presented by MBIE
Final draft of entire report, reflecting conversation from Meeting 10.
8
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Meeting 8
Date and time
11 October 2018 (Thursday), 1 – 5 pm
Venue
Room G.16, MBIE, 15 Stout St
Panel members
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
Vicki Lee
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
Caroline Mareko
Steph Dyhrberg
John Ryall
Tony Hargood
Dr Isabelle Sin
Kirk Hope
Richard Wagstaff
Secretariat (MBIE)
Paul Stocks
Tracy Mears
Ruth Isaac
Beth Goodwin
Other attendees
Doug Martin (item 4, from 2.30pm)
Item
Content
Lead
Timing
1. Welcome and
Agree Minutes, set out plan for the
Jim
10 mins
admin
meeting.
1.00 – 1.10
See Document 8A
2. Singapore
Jim, Richard and Paul to report back
Jim, Richard,
30 mins
download
on what they learnt from Singapore.
Paul
1.10 – 1.40
3. MBIE presentation: MBIE to present on remaining building
Beth
40 mins
remaining building
blocks – status quo and international
1.40 – 2.20
blocks
examples
(part 1)
See Document 8B
Break (2.20pm)
10 mins
2.20 – 2.30
4. Presentation:
Doug to present his views on an FPA
Doug Martin
45 mins
Doug Martin,
system.
2.30 – 3.15
Martin Jenkins
See Document 8C
5. MBIE presentation: MBIE to continue presenting on
Beth
30 mins
remaining building
remaining building blocks – status quo
3.15 – 3.45
blocks
and international examples
(part 2)
See Document 8B
Break (3.45pm)
5 mins
3.45 – 3.50
6. Presentation:
Richard and John to present their
Richard and
60 mins
Richard Wagstaff
outline of how an FPA system could
John
3.50 - 4.50
and John Ryall
look.
See Document 8D
7. Wrap up
This meeting: agree preparation time.
Jim
10 mins
Consider prioritising remaining items
4.50 – 5.00
on Action Register.
See Document 8E
Next meeting: 9am – 1pm, 25 Oct 2018
See Document 8F
Attached documents
Document 8A: Minutes from meeting 7 (27 September 2018)
Document 8B: MBIE presentation – remaining building blocks
Document 8C: Doug Martin blog post on FPAs
Document 8D: Richard and John’s document ‘Proposed Fair Pay Agreement Design’
Document 8E: Action register
Document 8F: Forward agenda
8E
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Action register
Updated 8 October 2018
Responsible
Meeting
Action
Due date
Update
person
Meeting 7
MBIE to locate and circulate to working
Secretariat
11 October
group Gail Pacheco’s work on re-skilling
and pathways out of permanent low
skilled work.
Meeting 5
Vicki to present on 11 October on
Vicki Lee
11 October
perspectives of her sector
Meeting 5
Secretariat to resend calendar invite for
Secretariat
10 September
Complete
13 September
Meeting 5
Secretariat to prepare two ‘straw men’
Secretariat
Meeting 6
Complete
models, each incorporating an answer to
each design question, for Panel to
discuss preferences
Meeting 5
Secretariat to summarise all design
Secretariat
Meeting 6
Complete
questions and send to Panel for
consideration
Meeting 5
Secretariat to present existing data on:
Secretariat
Meeting 6
Complete. Available
data available
•
People with multiple jobs
provided at Meeting
•
Underemployment
7.
•
Qualitative information from
Labour Inspectorate
•
What we know about sectors that
show behaviours in the 3 bullets
on slide 5
•
Income adequacy
•
Number or percentage of target
groups who are on working
holiday visas – impact of
immigrant workforce
Meeting 5
Kirk to consider how employers might
Kirk Hope
Meeting 6
initiate an FPA
Meeting 5
Secretariat to report back on how other
Secretariat
Meeting 6
country’s government administration
approach an override role – to trigger or
prevent an FPA being triggered on public
interest grounds
Meeting 5
Secretariat to report back on what other
Secretariat
Meeting 6
countries do to assess support for a
sectoral agreement proposal
Meeting 5
Secretariat to report back on
Secretariat
Meeting 6
Complete
representativeness thresholds used in
other countries
Meeting 5
Secretariat to send the training section of
Secretariat
When
Complete
the CSW agreement to panel members
available
Meeting 4
Secretariat to provide Treasury report on
Secretariat
Meeting 5
Complete
the impact of minimum wage increase on
employment
Meeting 4
Secretariat to provide data on those just
Secretariat
When
Complete
over the minimum wage.
available
Meeting 4
Secretariat to upload Paul Conway’s and
Secretariat
When
Complete.
Alexandra Jackson’s presentations to
available
workspace
Meeting 3
Secretariat to use the diagram on slide 5
Secretariat
Meeting 5
Complete
of the presentation on design to represent
different international models.
Meeting 3
Secretariat to illustrate different
Secretariat
Meeting 5
Complete
combinations of trigger, coverage and
scope
Meeting 2
Invite Productivity Commission to attend a
Secretariat
Meeting 4
Complete
future meeting.
Meeting 2
Consider setting up joint meeting with the
Secretariat
16 Aug 2018
Tax Working Group.
Meeting 2
Secretariat to provide updated information
Secretariat
When
on sectoral trends later in panel’s
available
process.
Meeting 2
John to provide written description of
John
Meeting 4
Complete.
experience of MECAs.
Meeting 2
Stephen to provide more information on
Stephen
When
extension of CEAs.
available
Meeting 2
Secretariat to find out about assumptions
Secretariat
When
in ASB predictions of FPAs’ economic
available
impact.
Meeting 2
Secretariat to provide information on Film
Secretariat
When
Recommendations
Industry Working Group’s
available
yet to be published.
recommendations once completed.
Meeting 2
Richard to share any available
Richard
When
information about Modern Awards from
available
his organisation’s visit to Australia.
Meeting 2
Secretariat to provide further information
Secretariat
On ongoing
about international comparisons (eg
basis
Singapore, South Africa, Denmark,
Sweden).
Meeting 1
Kirk Hope and Richard Wagstaff to
Kirk and
Meeting 5
Complete
provide examples of industries where
Richard
collective bargaining is working well and
why.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to summarise and circulate
Secretariat
Meeting 5
Complete.
the OECD 2018 Employment Outlook
Meeting 1
Secretariat to summarise and circulate
Secretariat
Meetings 2, 4
Complete.
the following reports:
CTU report
•
NZCTU report by Bill Rosenberg:
described in meeting
Shrinking portions to low and middle‐
2 slides.
income earners: Inequality in Wages
Productivity
& Self‐Employment 1998‐2015.
Commission report
•
Productivity Commission report: “Can
described in meeting
the Kiwi Fly? Achieving Productivity
2 slides, and Paul
Lift in New Zealand”.
Conway attending
meeting 4.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide information on the
Secretariat
Meeting 2
Closed.
current landscape of collective bargaining
in New Zealand.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide gender and ethnic
Secretariat
Meeting 2
Closed.
breakdown of minimum wage employees.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide information on
Secretariat
Meeting 2
Closed.
collective bargaining mechanisms are
used in other countries, including
summary of evaluations and the ‘direction
of travel’.
Meeting 1
Secretariat to provide options or
Secretariat
When
Complete
examples of how to define
available
occupations/industries and present to
working group at future meeting. E.g.
immigration definitions, ANZSCO,
international examples (e.g. Australia’s
modern awards).
Meeting 1
Richard Wagstaff and Kirk Hope agreed
Kirk and
When
to provide thoughts on ways to deal with
Richard
available
capacity and funding issues for workers
and employers wanting to participate in
bargaining.
8F
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Forward agenda
Updated 8 October 2018
Date
Forward agenda
Meeting 9
Flesh out views on Options A and B, and address remaining action items
25 Oct 2018
Items for discussion:
Vicki’s presentation about the hospitality industry.
A consolidated model of Option A+B.
Discuss written descriptions of Option A and B.
Where the group has differences of opinion, describe those and the reasons.
Ensure pros and cons of each option are reflected.
Consider Context section.
Ensure all outstanding actions are completed or discharged.
Information presented by MBIE
Presentation on options for remaining building blocks.
Drafted sections of Report describing Option A and B.
Drafted Context section.
Update on actions register.
Meeting 10
Focus on recommendations
6 Nov 2018
Items for discussion:
Consider the draft report.
Discuss what your recommendations will be.
Information presented by MBIE
Draft of entire report, including edited sections of Report describing Option A and B
reflecting conversation from Meeting 9.
Meeting 11
Finalise report and discuss communications.
22 Nov 2018
Items for discussion:
Any final changes to the report.
Communications plan: discuss whether you will issue a press release, and how you will
respond to media queries.
Information presented by MBIE
Final draft of entire report, reflecting conversation from Meeting 10.
9
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Meeting 9
Date and time
Tuesday 6 November 2018, 12.30 – 4.30 pm
Venue
Meeting Room Te Aro 4 – Terrace Conference Centre, Levels 2-4, St
John House, 114 The Terrace
Panel members
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
Vicki Lee
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
Caroline Mareko
Steph Dyhrberg
John Ryall
Tony Hargood
Dr Isabelle Sin
Kirk Hope
Secretariat (MBIE)
Paul Stocks
Katherine MacNeil
Ruth Isaac
Beth Goodwin
Apologies
Richard Wagstaff
Item
Content
Lead
Timing
1. Welcome and
Agree Minutes, set out plan for the
Jim
10 mins
admin
meeting.
12.30 – 12.40
See Document 9A
2. International
Opportunity for Group to discuss the
Beth
15 mins
obligations
MBIE paper
12.40 – 12.55
See Document 9C
3. Draft report
Discuss the draft Report: members’
Beth
55 mins
comments and areas of difference
(part 1)
12.55 – 1.50
See Documents 9D and 9E
Break (1.50)
10 mins
1.50 – 2.00
4. Presentation:
Vicki to present on effects on small
Vicki
60 mins
Vicki Lee
business and the hospitality industry.
2.00 – 3.00
See Documents 9F and 9G
5. Draft report
Continue to discuss the draft Report.
Jim
45 mins
(part 2)
3.00 – 3.45
Break (3.45)
10 mins
(if needed)
3.45 – 3.55
6. Draft report
Conclude discussion of draft Report:
Jim
25 mins
direct MBIE on next steps
(part 3)
3.55 – 4.20
7. Wrap up
Next meeting: 1pm – 4pm, 22
Jim
10 mins
November 2018
4.20 – 4.30
Attached documents
Document 9A: Minutes from meeting 8 (11 October 2018)
Document 9B: (NB this was circulated for the previous, cancelled, meeting, and is now not relevant)
Document 9C: New Zealand’s international obligations
Document 9D: Draft Working Group report – version 0.4
Document 9E: Major topics for discussion –
to come on 5 November
Document 9F: Hospitality Benchmark (April 2018) –
suggested pre-reading
Document 9G: Raising the bar – the impact of minimum wage hikes (April 2018) –
suggested pre-
reading
10
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Meeting 10
Date and time
22 November 2018 (Thursday), 12:30 – 4:30 pm
Venue
Room G.03, MBIE, 15 Stout St
Panel members
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
Vicki Lee
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
Caroline Mareko
Steph Dyhrberg
John Ryall
Tony Hargood
Dr Isabelle Sin
Kirk Hope
Richard Wagstaff
Secretariat (MBIE)
Paul Stocks
Katherine MacNeill
Ruth Isaac
Beth Goodwin
Item
Content
Lead
Timing
1. Welcome and
Agree Minutes, set out plan for the
Jim
10 mins
admin
meeting.
12:30 – 12:40
See Document 10A
2. Finalise draft
Make decisions on remaining issues in
Katherine
1 hour 15 mins
Working Group
the draft Working Group report
12:40 – 1:55
report
See Document 10D or 10E, and 10F
Part 1: Work
through current
issues
Break (1:55 pm)
10 mins
1:55 – 2:05
3. Finalise draft
Discuss how to describe conciliation,
Katherine
35 mins
Working Group
facilitation and mediation functions
2:05 – 2:40
report
Whiteboard session
Part 2: Dispute
resolution
4. Finalise draft
Discuss and agree the public interest
Katherine
30 mins
Working Group
test criteria
2:40 – 3:10
report
See Document 10F (Annex 1)
Part 3: Public
interest criteria
5. Finalise draft
Discuss the suggested text on skills
Beth
20 mins
Working Group
training
3:10 – 3:30
report
See Document 10G
Part 4: Skills
training
Break (3:30 pm)
5 mins
3:30 – 3:35
6. Finalise draft
Discuss the approach to exemptions in
Katherine
20 mins
Working Group
the Working Group report
3:35 – 3:55
report
Part 5: Exemptions
7. Photo options
Consider photo options for the cover
Beth
15 mins
and/or content of the Working Group
3:55 – 4:10
report
See Document 10H
8. Comms: Next
Consider report publication and
Beth
10 mins
steps
meeting with the Minister to discuss the
4:10 – 4:20
report.
9. Wrap up and next
This meeting: agree preparation time.
Jim
10 mins
steps
Consider next steps and whether
4:20 – 4:30
additional workshop is needed: 11 am
– 12:30 pm Tuesday 27 November
Attached documents
Document 10A: Minutes from meeting 9 (6 November 2018)
Document 10B: Draft Working Group report – version 0.5 (tracked)
Not attached, as was shared
previously – not current version
Document 10C: Draft Working Group report – version 0.5 (clean)
Not attached, as was shared
previously – not current version
Document 10D: Draft Working Group report – version 0.6 (tracked)
Document 10E: Draft Working Group report – version 0.6 (clean)
Document 10F: Table to resolve Working Group comments on draft Report
Document 10G: Information on education funding
To be added before 22 November meeting
Document 10H: Photo options for the Working Group report
11
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Meeting 11
Date and time
27 November 2018 (Tuesday), 9:30 am – 1 pm
Venue
Terrace Conference Centre, Meeting room Te Aro 4
Panel members
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
Caroline Mareko
Dr Stephen Blumenfeld
John Ryall
Steph Dyhrberg
Dr Isabelle Sin (from 11 am)
Tony Hargood
Richard Wagstaff
Kirk Hope
Secretariat (MBIE)
Paul Stocks
Katherine MacNeill
Ruth Isaac
Beth Goodwin
Apologies
Vicki Lee
Item
Content
Lead
Timing
1. Welcome and
Set out plan for the meeting.
Jim
5 mins
admin
9:30 – 9:35
2. Discuss approach
Discuss approach to Group’s
Jim
20 mins
differences of opinion
9:35 – 9:55
3. Finalise draft
Page turn through the Working Group
Katherine
45 mins
Working Group
report
9:55 – 10:40
report
See Documents 11A, 11B, 11C
Break (10:40 am)
Morning tea provided
5 mins
10:40 – 10:45
4. Finalise draft
Continue page turn through the
Katherine
1 hour 45 mins
Working Group
Working Group report
10:45 – 12:30
report (continued)
Break (12:30 pm)
Lunch provided
10 mins
12:30 – 12:40
5. Photos for
Discuss photos for the Working Group
Beth
10 mins
Working Group
report
12:40 – 12:50
Report
See Document 11D
6. Wrap up and next
This meeting: agree preparation time.
Jim
10 mins
steps
Discuss next steps
12:50 – 1:00
Attached documents
Document 11A: Draft Working Group report – version 0.7 (tracked)
Document 11B: Draft Working Group report – version 0.7 (clean)
Document 11C: Diagram of dispute resolution
Document 11D: Photo options for the Working Group report
Document 11E: Possible case study from Partnership Resource Centre
12
AGENDA
Fair Pay Agreements Panel: Meeting 12 (small group meeting)
Date and time
19 December 2018 (Tuesday), 9.00 – 10.30 am
Venue
Meeting Room G.15, MBIE offices, 15 Stout Street, Wellington
Panel members
Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ (Chair)
John Ryall
Kirk Hope
Richard Wagstaff
Vicki Lee (phoning in)
Secretariat (MBIE)
Paul Stocks
Katherine MacNeill
Ruth Isaac
Beth Goodwin
Item
Content
Lead
Timing
1. Welcome and
Agree Minutes from previous two
Jim
10 mins
admin
meetings; set out plan for the meeting.
9.00 – 9.10
See Document 12A
2. Discuss draft
Discuss outstanding matters:
Jim
1 hour 10 mins
Report
Finalise wording to include in the
9.10 – 10.20
body of the Report about Kirk’s
alternative view
Whether to include an appendix
3. Wrap up
Discuss next steps
Jim
10 mins
10.20 – 10.30
Attached documents
Document 12A: Minutes from meeting 11 (27 November 2018)
Document 12AA: Minutes from meeting 10 (22 November 2018)
Document 12B: Draft Working Group report – version 0.8 (
this was circulated on 27 November and
comments were received by email)
Document 12C: Draft Working Group report – version 0.9 (clean and tracked versions)
