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Hi All,
I only have a draft version of the standard (attached). The published version is available but costs around $327 NZD
to download, I had meant to find out if Waka Kotahi could purchase this but haven’t had a chance to follow that up.
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Regarding signature, the ISO 18013-5 standards says that the mDL (mobile drivers licences) “fulfils at least the same
function as an IDL (ISO/IEC 18013-1) but, instead of being paper or plastic based, resides on a mobile device or
requires a mobile device as part of the process to gain access to the driving licence”. Since ISO 18013-1 guides the
design format and data content,Section 9(2)(g)(i)
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Thanks for the info provided. We have had a chance to review the Digital Team’s comments and have a couple of
follow up questions.
- Do you have a copy of the ISO standard that you would be able to send to us
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- Does the ISO standard require a signature as a feature of a mDL
- Lastly, will a flash pass have a time stamp so that the verifying party can see that it isn't a PDF/JPEG
Other than that, we have provided some comments in the attached document.
Please get in touch if there is anything that you would like to discuss.
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1. Does the Digital
team refer to users
of the app as
consumers or
customers?
2. How will
E.g., using RealMe,
consumers register
passport, driver licence
for the app?
etc.
3. How are
In Western Australia,
supermarkets,
Coles would not accept
liquors etc. stores
DDLs because their
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4. If we are using a
DDL were introduced in
QR code, will the
WA in 2017 and perhaps
supermarket
since we’ve had the
attendants be
Covid scanner app this
expected to use their
will not be an issue.
personal phones to
scan the digital
driver licence QR
code?
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5. How is the DDL For example:
secure?/What
Holographic image
security features will
Facial recognition
it have?
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against the back-end
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the
Pull to refresh function.
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stored, and data
transmitted and
verified?
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technology/agents
issue a DDL in real
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photo and
application in 10
minutes? If they
can’t, do we need
temporary digital
DDLs or will we
continue issuing
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driver licences?
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correct data already
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we use the images
and information we
already hold in the
Driver Licence
Register, or do
customers need to
reapply with new
info such as a new
photo?
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someone’s DL has been
on the app?
revoked, they are
required to return their
physical licence to Waka
Kotahi. What would this
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additional resourcing
the
would be required to
control the validity
of digital driver
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perform
administration tasks
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or suspending a
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address and signs up
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Section 9(2)(g)(i)
Do you agree?
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Thank you, we will review the doc and will get back to you with any answers or follow up questions.
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Please find attached the answers to your questions. Some created more questions due to the stage at which we are
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endorsement, by the
single letter specified
in Schedule 4 followed
by the appropriate
driver licence class
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It would be useful if you or your team would be able to review these requirements, and let us know how they
compare to the features and information that a DDL may have. Lastly, to gain a better understanding of what other
changes might be required and the possible privacy implications, I’ve listed some questions we have for your team
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Digital Team’s comments
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team refer to users
of the app as
consumers or
customers?
2. How will
E.g., using RealMe,
consumers register
passport, driver licence
for the app?
etc.
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3. How are
In Western Australia,
supermarkets,
Coles would not accept
liquors etc. stores
DDLs because their
expected to verify
liquor stores did not
the information on a
have a mobile device in
DDL?
place to complete the
verification. Note that
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4. If we are using a
DDL were introduced in
QR code, will the
WA in 2017 and perhaps
supermarket
since we’ve had the
the
attendants be
Covid scanner app this
expected to use their
will not be an issue.
personal phones to
scan the digital
driver licence QR
code?
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secure?/What
Holographic image
security features will
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it have?
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process be?
7. How will info be
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device?
9. Are there any
security and/or
identity features that
we think should be a
mandatory minimum
on a DDL and will be
unlikely to change?
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be ensured?
no geolocation tagging
no tracking of your
device or DL usage
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customer’s consent
phone always remains in
customer’s hands
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consumer controls when
to show it
consumer controls what
data to share
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accessed their info, and
what info was shared.
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recommendation memo for regulatory services senior management, giving an overview of what legislative change is
likely needed to enable DDLs and the consumer hub, and likely providing a recommended approach. A few
questions have cropped up and I was hoping we could have a meeting with you next week to discuss. I’ve also
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