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Re-engaging with the world July 2020.pdf
Sorry I didn’t get this through sooner – didn’t appreciate Peter was releasing this morning … R 
 
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In any complex and prolonged crisis, a transparent and adaptive strategy is needed. This has never been 
more obvious than in the COVID-19 pandemic. Just after COVID hit our shores, initial discussions centred 
on adopting a “flattening the curve” strategy. This involved accepting there would be some influx of disease, 
but by using behavioural and hygiene measures, viral transmission would be slowed and our hospital 
system would not be overloaded, as was being seen in northern hemisphere countries. 
But soon after cases started appearing, a clear shift in strategy was made – sometimes expressed as “keep 
it out, stamp it out”. In epidemiological terms, elimination of the virus became the goal. For New Zealand, 
adopting that strategy was scientifically plausible, as we had a low number of infections and could use our  1982
island geography. But it required huge effort and sacrifice by all New Zealanders – the burden of which 
will continue to echo for many years. With the border closed, it would then be a case of effective testing, 
contact tracing, and isolation to eliminate the virus. Through very good messaging, particularly helped 
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by the ‘bubble’ metaphor and relying on the country’s inherent social cohesiveness, the lockdown was a 
spectacular success. But in that success there are also challenges.
It is now clear the messaging around the state of contact tracing, personal protective equipment (PPE) 
and the management of isolation were not always accurate and that there were deficiencies in the system. 
Trust is essential for a government in handling any crisis, especially when civil cooperation is required over 
a long time, and this is not helped by obfuscation. Indeed, in recent times that trust has been weakened by 
revelations of quarantine and tracing failings, and reassurances proving to be less certain than first claimed, 
with much remedial action required. Nevertheless, we’ve achieved our goal of being almost certainly free of 
community spread. 
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The public has shown remarkable forbearance and support for the sacrifices of lockdown. But people’s 
anger at process breakdowns was to be anticipated, given the early phase of the pandemic, during which 
most of us enjoined in a collective and cohesive blitz mentality, had passed. This is entirely as we would 
expect our emotions to evolve as we transition through a prolonged crisis.
To many epidemiologists, elimination means the reduction to zero of an infection in a defined geographical 
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area. But as epidemiologist Sir David Skegg noted in his advice to the Epidemic Response Committee before 
lockdown was imposed, many others in the epidemiological community pragmatically define elimination 
as the reduction of case-transmission to a predetermined very low level. These distinctions may appear 
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subtle, but they become critical in our collective thinking about the path ahead. The former creates an 
expectation of keeping the virus out absolutely and indefinitely and that even one case coming in could be 
seen as a failure. The latter accepts that cases will occur and that processes need to be in place to ensure 
community spread is not established. Given the nature of the virus, the former definition is impossible to 
sustain unless we are prepared to continue aggressive and foolproof testing and quarantine at the border 
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for a long time. 
As smugglers have known for centuries, border controls are never foolproof. We do better than most 
because of our geography and a long experience in biosecurity, but human failures will occur, and at some 
time a case will break through. Universal quarantine for arrivals, aggressive testing, and contact tracing 
remain our main protection.
Further, defining a strategy for locking down is relatively easy (although requiring much sacrifice), one for 
reopening to the world is harder. Much depends on what is happening in other countries. From the moment 
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of going into lockdown, work was needed on defining a strategy and the processes that would be required 
to move past total quarantine. Any such strategic analysis must be transparent and preferably developed 
through a collaborative process, because whatever is done will change the risk landscape significantly. 
Many stakeholders continue to be at the mercy of such decisions, and those stakeholders are not just 
businesses, they are indirectly every New Zealander. 
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Therefore, we need to be thinking about defining our longer-term strategy. Is New Zealand prepared to hold 
itself in its state of near-total isolation for the indefinite future? Even opening the Trans-Tasman bubble 
looks further away than it did a month ago with resurgent community spread in at least one Australian state. 
The hoped-for early links with Singapore have similarly evaporated. Are there Pacific countries that we 
could now open up to with green lanes? Some other countries are starting to create green lanes, but they 
have not adopted the elimination strategy. The latter places higher expectations on the system.
While we pin our hopes on a vaccine, it could be much further away than the hype suggests. Can we afford 
to wait out another year, two years, or even more in almost total physical isolation? And at what cost? This 
is not just affecting tourism and export education, but also the many ways in which New Zealand projects 
and leverages its place in the world. 
On arrival, everyone is quarantined for 14 days on arrival, then tested around days 3 and 12. However, 
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even that has not been foolproof, requiring tougher actions to make it more robust. Then there is the 
problem of volume management. With more flights resuming, more Kiwis are returning home. Among them 
are those who were trapped overseas by the virus, but now others who have been away much longer are 
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choosing to come home because of our relative safety. As more flights open up, the flow could become a 
flood. How will we manage? Will returning New Zealanders need to reserve a place in quarantine before 
arrival? And who among them should bear the cost of quarantine or part of it?
What solutions should we consider over the longer term? For example, could we develop a regime of 
approved tests – both antigen and RNA-based – before departure? This could be combined with rapid 
testing on arrival, then a shorter quarantine for those from low-risk countries. Could we develop better 
protocols for managed self-isolation for low-risk entrants? Could we allow long-term tourists, business 
travellers, and tertiary students in on such a basis? Could universities quarantine offshore students wishing 
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to return? Volume management and cost must be the primary reasons for not doing so now. Do we need 
to balance that against the priority of non-resident New Zealanders wanting to come home? These are 
difficult, value-laden ethical and legal questions, but they need to be asked. To what extent is the political 
cycle affecting necessary discussion and decisions? 
Ultimately, these questions have been and will remain about risk management and communication. At 
what point will New Zealand accept less than absolute elimination? Such a goal is likely unrealistic over a 
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long term. Even if a highly protective vaccination is developed, it may not provide absolute protection and 
coverage will not be absolute, so cases will always occur. Actuarial calculations might allow protocols to 
be established that could mean shorter quarantine or even self-isolation for some. Of course, any such 
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loosening without protections increases the risk of the virus appearing in the community, but there are 
possible ways through that. What about mandatory tests every day or second day and a shorter quarantine 
for people from low-risk countries who want to enter? 
Any change from current practices would require highly effective, high-speed contact tracing supported by 
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quarantine of first- and second-degree contacts and would need to be carefully piloted. What incentives are 
needed so that people cooperate as the pandemic drags on over the next year or more? How can we maintain 
or introduce hygiene practices that economies like Taiwan have used effectively throughout the outbreak? 
The costs of failing to develop an effective automatic tracking system may come to haunt us. Any simpler 
border system will meet public expectations and public-health needs only if track, trace and isolation are 
rapid and effective. The costs of the COVID-card-type methodology are small compared with the costs 
of continued complete lockdown. If we required such a tracing system for all incoming passengers and 
provided a large number of New Zealanders had adopted it, then we would have more alternatives, at least 
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for low-risk entrants. Singapore introduced a similar card this week. There are other systems that could 
be used. The Google/Apple joint development using a cellphone’s embedded Bluetooth technology has 
progressed to overcome many of the earlier objections and is being introduced in some countries. However, 
some limitations remain, including technical challenges associated with repurposing phones as proximity 
devices, giving sufficient visibility over the performance of the system to public health officials. Any such 
system relies on voluntary compliance.
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The ethical arguments against such technologies have perhaps been overstated in their generalisation. 
Yes, there are apps that might provide private information to third parties or governments, but Google, 
Uber, and many others already have access to that information on almost everyone with a smartphone. The 
Bluetooth systems proposed do not automatically provide information to anyone. The Government could 
quickly establish an independent oversight mechanism to approve download of the data. Failure to even start 
discussions towards seeking societal approval for use of these technologies further reduces our options.
While we may have limited options, we do need a transparent process towards developing a reconnection 
strategy. Do we continue as we are now indefinitely, relying on strict quarantine and a giant moat? Even with 
current controls, the number of cases at the border will likely grow as more New Zealanders drift home. Do 
we need to start exploring alternative strategies that might at the appropriate time allow increased border 
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The internet and video conferencing can take us only so far. We will need face-to-face contact if we are to 
maintain and grow the flow of goods and services into New Zealand. 
This country needs its global connectivity. We have gained significant advantage through our stringent 
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lockdown and early elimination of the virus allowing the domestic economy to reactivate. But we will 
rapidly progress to a position of relative disadvantage if our trading competitors are able to engage with our 
customers and suppliers in ways that are not possible for us. The alternative would be to remain in a state 
of effective national isolation, which could even last into 2022 or beyond. That may be our best option now, 
but that won’t always be the case, and we need at least to explore alternatives. 
Of course, we want to keep the virus out. The elimination strategy has worked, but at some point we’ll need 
to reconsider the balance of objectives. The pandemic continues to evolve. The decisions needed will be 
best removed from the politically charged environment of an election season and therefore it would be 
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premature to reach conclusions. In any event there is still too much viral uncertainty. 
But we do need to start a process that is evidence-based, using a breadth of transparent inputs to explore 
the options. Taking the knowledge of the pandemic’s evolving behaviour into account, we must prioritise 
exploring the ways in which we can more completely re-engage with the world. 
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ACKOWLEDGEMENTS
This paper was peer reviewed by Sir David Skegg. We thank him for his insights. 
Dr Andrew Chen provided advice on contact tracing.
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From:
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Sunday, 16 August 2020 1:29 PM
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Kelvin
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Hi Kelvin, 
 
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Just wanted to acknowledge the outstanding result on the testing through‐put ... it’s a massive advance when I look 
at where we were a few months back. 
 
Best regards ... Rob 
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