Kathleen Logan
From:
Nikki Turner <[email address]>
Sent:
Tuesday, 18 May 2021 1:36 PM
To:
Kathleen Logan; [email address]; Emma Best
Subject:
RE: Children and COVID vaccines
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Hi Kathleen
Quick first response to this bit ta....
In terms of reducing transmission it real y varies with different bugs
With influenza - the UK experience is that vaccinating younger school children ie primary
school age is the most effective way of reducing transmission
Meningococcal - definitely young infants and older teenagers who carry in their nasopharynx
more than other ages
I think the first problem is that we are not sure if we can get effective herd immunity with COVDI, it
might be possible but it is not clear, so the first strategy has to remain individual protection and we
know it is highly effective against that. But if we want to also as much as we can reduce transmission
then vaccinating kids wil help, it is not entirely clear yet though which age group is most likely to
spread - I would say general y school age as they mix in higher numbers than infants even though
infants spread respiratory viruses very effectively!
General immunisation issues - wil try and get to your document soon but the main concern and very
worrying is dropping immunsiation rates, partiuclarly timeliness of delivery
We had a drop off with the lock down, picked up a bit - but this year with the focus on COVID
vaccinations there is an alarming on going drop off , particularly for timeliness ( the 6 month
measure) but also even at 2 - the rates for Pacific dropping in particular is very concerning
From: Kathleen Logan <[email address]>
Sent: Monday, 17 May 2021 10:34 AM
To: Nikki Turner <[email address]>; [email address]
Subject: RE: Children and COVID vaccines
Thank you both so much.
No worries, as this isn’t urgent. Yet.
I note that Amanda and Mike said when you presented to OCC: if they could only vaccinate ¼ of the
population to reduce transmission, they would choose young people aged 12 to 25, because they
mix the most, are stil learning how to make the right decisions, and are linked to vulnerable people
in families. I feel it is good the government is trying to enable vaccination of younger age groups.
Schools are a convenient route to childhood vaccinations.
If it helped, I could compile a few questions that I envisage OCC /Andrew Becroft might need to
respond to.
On the other hand, we hoped you could articulate issues we should know about, and raise, related to
general immunisations, and particularly Covid-19.
Please forward to Dr Best as I don’t have her email.
Ngā mihi
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Dr Kathleen Logan
Lead, Education Advocacy Work Programme
Chair, Advisory Committee on Assisted Reproductive Technologies
Senior Advisor, Strategy Rights & Advice
Te Tari o te Kaikomihana mō ngā Tamariki
Office of the Children’s Commissioner www.occ.org.nz
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From: Nikki Turner <[email address]>
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2021 5:42 PM
To: Sarah Morris <[email address]>; [email address]
Cc: Kathleen Logan <[email address]>; Leah Haines <[email address]>
Subject: RE: Children and COVID vaccines
Kia ora Sarah
My very big apologies for being real y slow to get back to you on this one - in view of my slowness I
am going to see if my col eague Dr Emma Best, ID Paediatrician working with us can have a quick look
at this - I know Emma is awful y busy as wel but Emma I am real y hoping you might be able to have
a quick first look at this on our behalf for Sarah
I wil try and get to it soon too..... very sorry, and I do believe this is high priority - we are very
worried about dropping vaccination rates for children at the moment
From: Sarah Morris <[email address]>
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2021 1:29 PM
To: [email address]; Nikki Turner <[email address]>
Cc: Kathleen Logan <[email address]>; Leah Haines <[email address]>
Subject: Children and COVID vaccines
Kia ora kōrua,
I hope this finds you both wel . With the COVID-19 vaccine rol -out in ful swing, we are preparing for
potential questions and advocacy messaging around vaccines for children.
This is an initial email to introduce my col eague Kathleen Logan who works in our advice team and
who wil be the key contact point for the Children’s Commissioner on this topic. Amanda, I know you
and Kathleen have crossed paths before. We are not planning any proactive advocacy on this issue
but we want to be wel informed should there be a need to speak publicly on issues such as age
requirements or funding etc.
Nikki, Amanda helped peer review a section in the Children’s Rights in the COVID-19 Response report
we published recently that touched on the vaccine strategy – see pages 35-39 here:
www.occ.org.nz/publications/reports/childrens-rights-in-covid19/
I appreciate that you are both super busy. Do you have any initial thoughts on this matter? If you
have any key sources of information or contacts, or suggested messages or things we could be
exploring, they would be greatly received.
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Ngā mihi nui,
Sarah
Sarah Morris (she/her)
Manager Advice – Strategy, Rights and Advice
Te Tari o te Kaikomihana mō ngā Tamariki
Office of the Children’s Commissioner www.occ.org.nz
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